"If the glass expert shared earlier, everyone could have survived." Except once the game-master realized what he was doing, they turned out the lights. Waiting until there were only a few panels left was actually the most sound strategy for his own survival.
For the red light green light game, my idea for a strategy is walk fast, don’t run. Running will make you slip up easier because your body is not used to stopping at that speed, walking fast makes you take true and even steps, that you can stand in, also the time limit is long, so you’ll probably be able to make it with this too. Second, stay close to the wall, so you have something to hold against if worst comes to worst
Good strategy, but walking next to the wall is only good if you started the game beside or close to the wall already, as walking from the centre to the wall is going to take a lot more time than just walking forward
As someone who used to play games similar to red light green light, I did this and it definitely works. Just don't be to close to anyone, they might push you bc that's all people did for some reason
I always used to win this game by walking on all fours so I had more points of contact with the floor to stop me wobbling. Not the fastest method but obviously you don’t need to come first in this, just make it in 5 minutes
A small thing I loved in squid game, when all the glass shattered at the end of the 5th game, people actually got cut. So often in movies/shows glasses is treated as harmless and it was cool that it was shown that glass is actually pretty dangerous
That's why they had the bonus games between rounds: to reduce the number of players to the correct amount. When players got too creative the Front Man intervened. If the players knew ahead of time there will only be one winner/survivor all of the married couples would have noped out or in desperation sent only one spouse. The illusion of multiple winners is what gave the players false hope.
Theoretically, couldn't there have been multiple winners? What reason do we have to believe that there can only be one winner? Unless I'm forgetting something, if there were 4 players where that one dude killed the girl who got stabbed with glass and neither of them attacked the other, the squid game would happen and there would be two winners.
@@SeraphicViews If there were multiple winners they would have just changed the game until they could ensure only one winner. The games aren't announced until after they already know how many people are playing.
I got a chuckle too but he wasn't dumb imo he was evil. Of all the people there even the thug guy he was the most evil. Everything about him was a fraud and he collateralized his mother's property to cheat the markets. Everyone else kind of had either a rough life or fell in to their debts.
i feel like in a situation like this where everyone is against each other u gotta ignore the smart ppl bcuz they r only gonna keep the good solutions for themselves
While it's extremely easy for us as theorist watching from the comfort of our homes without the fear of danger to theorise loopholes to try and beat the games, you have to remember that the people in the games are all tired, beat up, scared and emotional. This can be seen in the very first recruitment scene, when Gi Hun is so angry and being slapped that he can't think clearly and nearly gives up 100 000 just because he wants to get his revenge.
True, but what you should also recognize is, that those people had all day long with nothing to do but to come up with plans and strategies to beat those games. After the first shock is gone, people would and should talk all day about strategies and what to do and not do in what cases. The series started out with Kang Sae-byeok (067) to try to collect information between the games (leading to her find out about the honeydough), just to drop this attempts alltogether and her sitting around doing nothing for the rest of the show, for instance.
@@prinegonbevaris1788 hard to come up with strats when you don't even know what the game is going to be. Sneaking off to the bathrooms would have been ceased or caught on if they tried it every time. It would just be impossible. Especially if they pulled a sneaky like the "partner up" to throw players off. The best thing players could have done was just not come back to the game.
But when the detective was looking through the files of previous games, every single one only had one final winner. Something tells me the whole thing is rigged to ensure just one winner remains in the end, and also to give the contestants a harder time to better entertain the V.I.P.s.
Hi! I worked with glass for a living (came from a master glazier family). Anyway, weird thing about glass--the edges of glass are super weak to focused pressure, so that's a no go. BUT!!! The easiest ways to tell tempered glass from non-tempered glass are actually super simple (probably because safety glass is designed around safety). Anyway, tempered glass always gets stamped in the corner, and in the rare case that that didn't happen, it's always got smoothed edges. Now, here's the fun part. They clearly could only go so far in terms of how much they could dictate the construction of these challenges, and they would also be limited by simply not knowing what to ask about how the glass would need to be modified for a death game (no stamps, no smooth edges). Without knowledge, the rich people would probably end up trying to just make sure to buy high end materials and, in a funny twist, get glass that was definitely made to code. In other words, the easiest ways to identify tempered glass would probably remain. So, armed with this knowledge, you go in, and you immediately start jumping onto the stamped glass. And once they see that you've got a visual cue, they hit the lights. Those panes aren't very far apart, so you've still got options. The next step is just reaching out and running your hand along the next pane. The safety glass won't cut you, and the breakable stuff will. Anyways, Iiii just wanted to share that in a place I was a little more confident I wouldn't get yelled at by someone on the internet. Because apparently glass knowledge is uncommon, and knowledge should be shared.
@@norwaysmith2421 I'd say so--honestly glass cuts don't hurt a ton? They're super sharp, so the scary part isn't the cut itself, but being careful not to let it be too deep or bleed too much. Not ah... not a fun lesson to learn there. Anyway, yeah, like, SUPER fragile edges. You would not believe how many windows I've fixed that spiderwebbed in from the edges because the glass got just a liiiittle too compressed from the seasonal shift in temperature.
I love how when MatPat can't find a brand, he'll just sponsor the entire fricking product. EVERY brand that makes USB power-banks is sponsored by MatPat.
The glass game reminded me a bit of hopscotch, or "the floor is lava", or "step on a crack, break your mother's back!" so it worked for me as a children's game. I also did not like that they turned off the lights, but I think that was shown to be done for the VIP's benefit. The glass explosion at the end just felt like cheating though.
The glass explosion is the "Get rid of Timed out players" elimination. Deok-Su was the one that intentionally brought them closer to timing out. The lights were turned off because a player an unfair advantage. He made glass for 30 years and can see the difference.
When you're complaining about the "unfairness" in the glass scene the oligarchs wanted to be entertained they're essentially stock holders and we all know companies like to keep their shareholders happy even if it costs a few people their jobs (lives)
It could also represent how unfair life is due to its 50/50 chance with each panel and how only a few people actually achieve success from the masses but that’s completely open to interpretation
I think the concept of Squid games is that the Game masters pretend that it's fair, when it's not. It's all about entertaining the rich guys - which is why they turn off the lights on the glass bridge.
@@rexventura4603 I’m considering socialism as when all property is owned by government - And when government own everything, it's communism? what next? earth is flat?
I really love the message that while money doesn't buy happiness , you need to have money to get your basic needs met and that will allow you to gain happiness elsewhere. I hate when people tell poor people that "money doesn't buy happiness" as a form of... I don't even know, reassurance? because, sure, money can't buy happiness, but not having money brings so many problems and anxieties with it. You need money to live comfortably.
Exactly. And sometimes you need money to live in the first place, like te case of the protagonist mother. (and many other people in the world that can't afford enough medical care)
There was a study done once where they compared self-reported happiness with income level. There is an income range where people are happier. Money absolutely buys happiness, you just can't have too little of it or too much of it or you'll cross the threshold back into unhappy.
The world is cruel, happiness without money is simply impossible The world will slap you directly in the face if your life style is no money but a Golden heart
Actually, if the glass guy had chosen to help everyone instead of letting them die he would have died sooner. By standing out and making the game no fun he would risk being targeted by the front man, which is exactly what happened. The front man would have shut the lights off sooner and since the glass guy would have had to be in the front to see the glass now he was the one who had to continue making the moves (which almost certainly would have led to his death). The other players would have definitely not played fair and let him back to his cozy spot close to the back. So his decision is actually what almost led him to living, he had a 50/50 percent chance at the end since there was only one set of panels remaining, unfortunately he drew the short stick.
What gets me about the whole 'marble' solution at the end is... Couldn't he have just tapped the glass next to him to see if that would have made the same noise?
@@LoveValentineXO A marble bouncing on glass without a hand/fingers attached to marble would make a different sound from a hand/fingers holding a marble.
You know what's interesting about the games? Half of the games had a guaranteed 50% survival rate while the other half had a potential 100% survival rate
That’s kind of the idea. The ideal thing is to help everyone survive. Even if no one unnecessarily dies, you get a ton of cash. MrBeast did it wrong when he said only one person could win
I just thought that this isn't something that the frontman would have allowed. The glass panel game showed that. Mattpat is right that this goes against everyone having a fair chance thing but so does allowing a fight between participants outside of the game. It's a lie anyway. The frontman wants a show and not Teamwork . There is a reason why there has only been one winner every year. They make sure of that and lie that multiple will/can win.
So, in best case scenario - 57 people survives, each getting a bit more than half a million USD. But 399 people die. Well, in the series there were 55 deaths more, taking into account that 001 was not killed.
@@IulianYT plus it would never be on everyones minds that everyone should survive. to many of them (including the doctor) a half million would not sound like much
The Glass Stepping Stones is beyond terrifying for me. I see them as symbolism that no matter how much personal skill, knowledge, or resources that you will always have to be lucky to become successful.
@@user-he2ou2ex2f I think it makes sense. The first four games all had elements of skill and knowledge based games. The glass bridge has no skill, it’s all chance. If Squid Games is a critique of Capitalism then each game would represent different stages of gaining wealth and eventually one stage of gaining wealth requires just plain luck.
I also wondered the same thing with the beam but the game runners probably would have done something. They did turn off the light when they found someone getting around not knowing which glass is which
Yeah but like he said in the video... Not allowing the ayers to make use of their own intellect and actually purposely sabotaging them is against the equality rule. Makes no sense.
Thw guy who can difference the two glasses should have to use his jacket zipper hitting the glass to hear both. Or use the marble first in his glass (which was safe) and then in another. IDK if danger of death can justify that someone expert in glass cannot think about making that. (sry for the bad english).
In the show Hwang Jun-Ho (The cop) finds a list of winners from previous games in a records room but there is only one winner per game so there can only be one winner per game. The shape-faces don't state this as a rule at the start because they want the players to think their odds for survival are better than they are. Frontman and his staff choose which games to use based on how many players are still alive to ensure that only one player wins the game. It's Battle Royale with extra steps.
Which is also why it would be so good if this particular round of games was different and more than 1 survived. I kept asking myself... Why is it that we're seeing this particular round of games unfold when it's apparently no different that the hundreds of rounds happened before it over years maybe decades.. ? Is it only cuz our protag is there? But the protag alos has nothing peculiar about him other than dumb luck and 20% smarts. Really.
Exactly, there's always only one winner. Going on the theory of this episode, you will just get a lot of senseless deaths, before majority of the players vote to quit, because they are disadvantaged. This episode was a big miss for me.
Sung-Woo was smart, but he was too focused on eliminating the people around him instead of using them as a buffer against the next challenges. Like you said, the more people around you to take the hits, the more likely you are to survive. He just wanted to get rid of the people around him since they were easier to manipulate (he had their trust).
I don't think so... He done that only in 1 game(that shapes game) and in that game no one actually got eliminated. Apart from that it's the situations which demanded. He never targetted anyone of his teammates.
Exactly. Sung-woo is smart, but intelligence doesn't stop you from your primal self and your selfish instincts, like greed. He wanted all the money, and no one else to take it, and he was inherently distrusting.
@@mrbme I still agree with the comment though ngl. He was too busy on eliminating others, or finding ways to manipulate, staying on edge. That’s what led to Gi Hun not trusting him in the end. Gi Hun would’ve killed Sang Woo if player 67 hadn’t stopped him
Fun fact: in the last game-- namely called squid game-- there can only be one winner. you can start in teams of defensive and offensive sides, but only one person can touch the end to be the sole victor. I think the game makers always choose games where there can be one winner as the final game because there was only 1 winner per each annual squid game in the records room that the Junho found. edit: so i’ve been informed by a few replies that the whole team wins when someone makes it to the end. but my family and i play with only one winner so ig rules can vary depending on how u wanna play:)
im surprised that 400 hardened criminals didnt charge the 5 guards at the start .......im also surprised the only bad person in 400 people was a big buff dude XD .....who fell in love with a sterotype of an evil catfish woman ......im also surprised that no one could figure out the old man with " number 1 " on his jacket was the bad guy. but most of all im surprised people pretend that they liked this XD
@@bladoodyscabloody1143 idk about hardened criminals, gang members for some maybe but I think it's mostly just people who rode to close to the sun and wasted money
Matt's strategy doesn't take into account one teeny weeny, crucial little detail, the tendency for people in a desperate situation (exactly the people the game targets) are prone to making irrational and gut-based intuitive calls about things, which are frequently wrong. This is also where the issue of instinctual attitudes of, "either me or them" becomes an issue and fucks over basically everyone.
Also doesn't take into account that the Front Man was engineering everything from the start to lead to one winner. The past logs of winners the cop found never showed more than one winner a year, and even if everyone played the game in previous years like they did in the show, it would still be odd not to have multiple winners at least every now and then... unless the game was set up in a way to purposely make it so no more than one could win. This game was being bet on by a bunch of rich elites who want some gruesome entertainment. The Front Man's response to the glass expert in the jumping game was proof that you cant just exploit loopholes. The glass expert should've done the opposite of what this video said. Instead of finally sharing with the others how he could tell the difference, he should've kept quiet. It might have taken the VIPs and the Front Man longer to catch on and he could've made it, thus revealing the safe passage for all behind him. Not trying to be mean but following this video trying to outsmart the Front Man would probably get you killed sooner than later. You cant math your way out of this, because there are obviously no set defined rules other than the 3 rules from the start. Also, hiding behind someone during the Red Light, Green Light wasnt the worst idea at all. It did block the doll's camera from detecting you, and even the main character still made it despite being buried under dead bodies from when everyone panicked.
One thing I've always thought was annoying was how, with the glass panel game, they have to take their shoes off but nobody even thinks to take the shoes with them and try to even just throw them at the glass. The rule was the can't be wearing their shoes, but nothing was said about not being allowed to carry them with you.
MatPat brought forth a good idea for the tempered glass game. Standing in the middle with the supporting beams would've been smarter than to risk a 50/50 chance of dying from standing on the actual glass.
the issue i think everyone is forgetting is that these people have barely ate or slept for 4-5 days. None of them are able to think critically at this point.
The reason Sang-woo asked everyone to split into shapes in the honey cone game is to single out the old man and make sure he dies. Sang-woo realized the old man would become a liability to the group and Gi-hun won't have the guts to kick him out. So Sang-woo staged the whole testing speech and tried to get the umbrella shape to old man. Until Gi-hun decided to swap with old man.
Imagine if everybody won all of the games. Nobody moved on the red lights, everybody licks their cookie shape, somebody cuts the rope in tug of war, the glass expert silently, perfectly figures out which tiles are tempered (and goes first), and somebody comes up with the brilliant idea to just _take each others' marbles_ and not force someone to be marble-less.
As matt mentioned. Tug of war and marbles would already eliminate half. Then you have to consider that these r not normal people. There is a reason they were chosen to play the squid games. Also the makers would just have them figth to the end.
The marble game idea is brilliant but in the glass game the glass expert getting it right everytime would seem suspicious to the guards so they would look at her / his information, see the 'worked at a glass factory' information and close the lights just like they did in the show. The glass expert not saying anything about it wouldn't change anything.
Squid game, marbles game and Tug of war ensure half the people will die you can argue with marbles game there's a loophole but not the other 2 so at the very best 25% of the player's will survive,if there's no loophole in marbles game it goes down to 12.5%
BUT MATPAT, If the tempered glass guy revealed his knowledge earlier in the glass game the directors would have just taken away the light he needed, which would probably make everybody panic resulting in nobody making it across.
I think hunger, sleep deprivation, and trauma makes it a lot harder to see clever solutions or consider these statistics or heck, to even be aware of the clues on the wall. You need a very strong will to live, and to have a good enough upbringing to stay present. So another factor with this is 'what do you have to live for?' (as we see literally decide fates in the marble game). If you are desperate enough for money to participate, it better be for noble reasons, or you will sort of sabotage yourself at a certain point from clouded judgement & trauma, or become so selfish you will sabotage your allegiances and make hasty choices. For being morally reprehensible, the whole game is a fascinating lesson in the value of having your priorities straight. It makes sense that someone with a pretty pure heart ended up winning, he's certainly the Charlie of this murderous chocolate factory.
Yo I actually agree. Sleep deprivation, stress and not getting enough food are factors that affect you in such situations. Which is why it's actually more important that you are thinking and strategising in the first few games and making alliances so that later you'd have more heads to think on a solution. I do agree that you need the right upbringing to not be greedy enough and want to actually win for a noble cause. But it's also unbelievable that none of them thought out of the box solutions more often. Desparation can sometimes help certain people think creatively. They did portray that during the second game so why not make more use of that and add layers to it? Lastly... It was just frustrating that the police officer and the lead players never met. It would be great to see them allied and break the system from within. I was really waiting for that to happen. The police guy didn't have a lotta stressors other than being very sneaky and we learn that he's pretty good at that for going undetected for a long time. Soo yeah.. Just my two cents anyway
There's also the fact that most of the people there are in heavy debt due to some of their poor decision making in life. So it's not far off to say some or most of them aren't the brightest.
Also they were timed - - that added a huge amount of pressure. It's easy to think of solutions after watching the game and getting to think about it after.
I wholeheartedly agree with your beef about the glass game. I was thinking the same thing. I was also thinking how unfair it was to have the distance to jump nearly double if you switched sides. And how EXTREMELY unrealistic it was that everyone seemed to have no fear of heights. In the real world, at least one of those people would have refused to play (preferring the bullet to the fall) or would have froze halfway through after looking down.
I kinda have to disagree. Even if you had a fear of heights, I think knowing that there’s a person literally pointing a gun at you + the prospect of winning would motivate you to keep going. The idea that one of those players would actually stop playing because of a fear of heights after enduring the past five games is far more unrealistic.
You're missing something: If the glassmaker had revealed himself earlier in the game, it would have worse, not better. Remember that the Face Man, once he realized what the glassmaker was doing, cut the lights, killing his ability to make the decision, and only 3 contestants survived that round, him not being one of them. Had done it earlier, they'd have been much less far across before the glassmaker lost that ability, and potentially end the game with 1 or 0 survivors.
Not just that, the people guessing which glass to step on next and getting it right, could've been getting it wrong had he gotten the first few correct. So the ending could've been very different.
I suppose if he had chosen to cooperate with only a few other players he would have told them quietly, trying to keep the information within the party. Thus the Face Man would not have known that. I know its a bit of a stretch but I'm just throwing out ideas hahaha
I mean it’s trial by error without the glassmaker, you literally can’t start that game with players outnumbering the glass panels and have no survivors. You’d have to have people blatantly killing each other or themselves to lose that.
I also thought that But how do you just teach someone to see something he learned in years worth of working at a glass industry He'd have to go up front, get a few glasses n then the lights go out Chances are they wont let him go back to his original place once that happens either With the extra glasses won from it however there could of been at most 5 survivors since they would b that many tiles closer
Was killing the lights not a dumb thing to do though? Mr. "Everyone gets a fair chance" cheats and changes the rules the moment he finds out that the survivors actually started to work together for once.
About the pictures on the walls, they only got revealed as more and more people got eliminated and didn't show the order of the games while giving a vague description of them
A few things to point out: -when the officer (I forgot his name) is going through the list of winners, there is only one winner in each game. I’m guessing that there could be multiple winners, but the staff are constantly trying to eliminate players. (This is one more for the legality video) -in the episode “V.I.P.S” one of the VIP’s remark “the contest in Korea was the best” so this could imply that there are multiple games being held in multiple countries.
Not sure about the two winners, but I agree with OP. It’s a show, and much like the Hunger Games, I don’t think the VIPs would find it entertaining if more than one person won. More than likely, the games are planned in such a way that there will probably only be one winner.
Except you can vote anytime to stop the game. So all you have to do is requiring a vote before each game after the rules has been enonced. If they know you'll ask for a vote, and thry want the game to continue, they won't put you in a battle royal game when you have only a chance on 30 to survive. By doing this, you assure each game give you 50% or more chance to survive. Giving you 1 chance of 64 min. ...which is low, but better than a chance of 550.
Maaaannn. The game in Brazil must have been wild. Kids back then had some games like throwing small powder bombs (called Cabeças de Nego) here and others like Fusca Azul, constinsting of a group of kids spanking eachother when they immediatly find a blue beetle parked somewhere; if one finds it and yells the word, its all by themselves
I think no matter how many of players make it through the five games, they would have devised a game in such a way only one person is left. The list of winners is evidence of that.
I agree with u. In-between games there's mind games and its bloody. So u cant find solution with the game and make u fight against others. Theres not just 6games matpat.
i honestly wish that they at least put a year where there was more than one winner so that it makes it sadder knowing that other players could have survived
I think the Marble games has a loophole: The game explicitly says "A player who manages to take all ten marbles from their partner wins". It never states that you have to have all 20 marbles. Nor that there is only one winner. You could just exchange the marbles at the beginning of the game, and both partners could win.
one thing I noticed while watching squid game: in the marble game, both players could have just given each other their bag and both of them would have their opponents 10 marbles. They never said you had to have all 20.
@@sherlockholmes882 Hm, in the Russian translation they say - "the game is called *TEN* marbles", "the scope of the game is to get *TEN* marbles from the opponent", and she repeated it twice. From this input - it seems that the players could just switch pockets and game over.
Actually what the glass maker did was pretty smart, if he revealed his abilities earlier almost everybody could’ve died as they would turn off the lights anyway. So I very much disagree it was just unlucky other players wasted time.
Also he could only see the glass in front of him. So couldn't warn the players in front of him. They choose their numbers before they knew what the next game was.
In the glass panel game they didn't say you cannot throw the shoes to break the glass, you had a pair of shoes for each player, everybody could have survived.
Not sure throwing shoes would be enough to break the untempered glass. Still though, they could have tried. The frontman and VIPS wouldn't have let them get away with this though most likely, considering how they quickly adjusted things to prevent the from using his prior knowledge.
@@rylace I think that they turned off the lights because one of the players had an unfair advantage. And throwing a shoe to a intemperate glass will break it no problem, you just have to throw it with force, but not much.
I mean, unless you're yeeting the shoes at the glass which is understandable, shoes aren't gonna have enough weight behind them to break the non-tempered glass.
@@mackenziewoloschuk7375 maybe use a jacket or two and collect numbers of shoes in there and tie it. Making it like a bag and then with the arm part of the jacket act as a handle, throw the bag but not completely throw it as you need to hold onto the jacket. Now you have glass breaker while you also have a weapon. At least be safe there and keep your balance while at it
The glassmaker sharing his knowledge gets the lights turned off, taking away his advantage. Keeping it to himself was the best choice, there, he should've volunteered to go first and not shared how he was solving it until after the fact
Actually, they would've been screwed sooner. When the Masks saw him exercise his knowledge, they realized he was a Glassmaker and because of the File they have on him and all the other players, they hit the lights.
@@C.Dat.guyoverthere Only because he was using his knowledge. As harsh as it was, it gave that one player a huge advantage in that particular game. And to make it 'fair' (cruel) they removed his advantage.
If the glassmaker uses his knowledge from the beginning, the Front Man would have dimmed the lights sooner, so the dilemma would remain. The glass tiles game was like hopscotch.
Most people’s motives for their decisions made conplete sense, people just love to twist their decisions into a bad thing. Glassmaker was a smart man, he just went a tiny bit too early
@@dougcha1538 umm yeah when the other option is death also it's if I'm getting a guaranteed 600,000 like matpat said plus guaranteed survival who wouldn't take that deal?
I think the reason why the Glass Tiles game was so much more extravagant was because the V.I.P.s were there. Front Man makes a point to showcase a model and build up excitement. It’s like seeing a concert live vs on TV, it’s gotta feel more exciting and showy
Season 2 is gonna tackle the "everyone works together" method. The trailer already alludes to too many people being alive that the games have to be extended. I'm so excited to see what happens
I think the glass bridge was supposed to be hop-scotch. Also, noticed how the rules weren't "have 20 marbles" but have the other players 10 marble. Just swap bags. There, both survive. Unless I'm remembering the rules wrong
Finally someone else noticed this! I *immediately* knew this was a loophole when they stated the rules. To clarify further, as I said in my own post: You all missed it. Marbles was NOT a 50% elimination game. Everyone just missed the trick. It was a test, and they all failed. Remember the old man? He said gganbu share everything. How they trust each other with all their possessions? The rules said, "the player to win their opponent's ten marbles wins". They didn't say you had to have twenty marbles. So long as you both swapped all ten marbles, each being sure to not have kept your own... both could have won. On a technicality, sure - but the game is fair above all else. They would have let it slide.
The marbles strategy is in sane but within the rules. I wonder why no team tried it. I think the husband and wife team could have had a go at that strategy to see if it was eligible. The fellow was quite forlorn when his wife selected to die.
Technically, in the 4th game the rule wasn’t “get all 20 marbles”, it was “get all 10 of your partner’s marbles”. That means if people actually thought it out they could trade bags with your partner, thus obtaining all 10 of their partners marbles/they get all 10 of yours.
Notice that the group dynamics at that point caused people to team with friends. That eliminated the obvious tactic of "slam your partner's head into a wall and take his marbles", which I thought of immediately.
@@stevenscott2136 The tactic of "slam your partner's head into a wall and take his marbles" was already prohibited , as one of the rules for the marble game stated that you couldn't forcefully take your partners marbles.
@@stevenscott2136 force was prohibited also one of my pet peeves of the show is that they lied to the players. they said choose a partner then when they got in they said oh your not actually partners your opponents. it was a lie they should have made it ambiguous or said the truth like " choose another player" or "choose an opponent"
@@BeyondTilted partner isn't exactly a lie, just because they are against each other in that game doesn't mean they're not partners. Partners can just mean 2 people doing the same activity. Also, why wouldn't they lie or mislead?? The Front Man says that the games are 'fair' but the point of the whole show is that they are not actually fair... the higher ups just want you to think it is fair.
@@clairepetersen7831 no that’s a miss read of the show. It was supposed to actually be fair but the writer made it not actually fair through bad writing. There was nothing to suggest that they weren’t supposed to be fair. Also no the words partner and team were used if I remember correctly both of which imply working together. You don’t compete against a partner. Could be a translation issue though
Definitely already tragic but agreed, it doubles down on it. You really feel it how because of the extreme greed of a few in the group, the rest were condemned to thinking it was a death game instead of a group survival game. That could be an interesting arc for a season though, a group that gets it from the get go and all agree to help as many survive as possible and how the Game Masters react to this.
I do think the money pot growing if people die was a motivation for people dying though. It's not so much surviving anymore. It's about how much money you can get with death. So it does make sense that some people would want others to die to get more money. Just realizing you explained that later in the video. Perfect example of watching the whole thing before commenting lol
The glass panel game, they were told to take off their shoes but I never understood why they didn't use them. Two shoes is enough to discern which glass will break if you throw one hard enough at both. Could have even passed them down the line to player 1.
Omg that's so true, i didn't think of that Shoes came to my mind when thinking bout paying attention to the sounds the marbles make on tempered and breakable glass, but never thought of just throwing them at the panels full force
Because once their shoes were off, they basically forgot about them. It's another case of clever psychology -- rather than TELL them not to use their shoes, it's more fun to TRICK them into not using them, and then laugh at them later for their stupidity.
Theory is right, cooperation would make the games much easier. That is intentional in the series. It is a criticism of society. We would live in a much better world if everyone helped each other. But too many people are willing to stepping on another for his own, immediate, gain. It is like the banquet in the movie The Well.
You missed the part where the games are deliberately engineered to turn people against one another. There was cooperation going on initially, just as much as much as there was sabotage. But the games are rigged to discourage as time goes on. It's no coincidence that the marble game came after they built groups and alliances and cooperated with one another. If they found a way to break the game through their cooperation, the Front Man would've done a similar thing to when they turned off the lights with the bridge game and found a way to sabotage them and make their cooperation moot. The series isn't criticizing the desperate people who do their best to win while playing by the rules of the game (and aren't superhumanly smart so as to figure out the best way out of a game while saving others too). It's criticizing the people making the rules who pit the desperate against one another. AKA capitalism.
There people who are like sang woo that has the mindset of “If you help others you will be left behind with them” so they think kindness/helpfulness make you weak but actually it show a lot by how you treat people
The Most annoying "Imaginary Rule" Is that nobody stepped on the *edges* of the glass tiles, or walked between the rods. Literally nobody had to die there.
@@johannesschmid3500 True but the point is that the Front Man would have told the guards to change the rules so that they can only jump on the glass and to eliminate anyone who doesn't comply.
Nobody had to die during the marble game. The old man gave a clue when he said they were ganbu. He even said he didn't want to play the marble game. He said at the end before giving his last marble that the marbles were already his partners because they share everything. If the players played a cooperative game where they both were in possession of all the marbles at the end as a team, or if they switched bags of marbles, so each had taken the marbles from their opponent, I think both would have been spared.
yep, matt is really assuming that they are gonna be fair, ignoring the fact that they are horses on a track and a bunch of rich psychos are betting on them for fun
And not only that but he would be on the front line of everybody just because he tried to help, they wouldnt let him go back in the line just because he tried to help them.
I feel like the marbles is survivable. The old man hinted at it. That his marbles are the Mcs and the Mcs marbles are his. It could've been argued that switching marbles is taking your opponents marbles while still having your own.
"Using your ten marbles you must take your opponents ten marbles" Swapping bags is not using marbles to take marbles. nor are those marbles yours anymore. It is literally keeping the game at the initial state. It is also a form of not playing. Which equals elimination.
Use your ten marbles, play any game you like, obtain your opponents ten marbles, don't use violence. Those being the only rules, it makes perfect sense to at least try to just make up a bullshit game, swap marbles, declare both of yourselves winners and see if they let you leave.
@@psychocomytic9778 If you have ten marbles you don't have any of your opponents marbles. Your old marbles just become your opponents marbles. Game state remains the same. When the two tough guys changed games they started again with 10 marbles, since they had been playing a game where all the marbles had likely changed hands then they could have changed marbles for all we know. The only way to obtain all ten of your opponents marbles is to have all 20 marbles. If they have any number of marbles from either bag then you do not have their ten marbles.
@@krampusklaws2238 ngl best semantic argument I've heard yet, but I still like to think that all 456 contestants could have survived on technicalities and ingenuity. Even though I have to acknowledge that the VIPs and contest organizers probably had no intention of allowing it, it's funny to think that they just got themselves all killed through idiocy and greed.
@@krampusklaws2238 if you traded marble for marble that would technically be considered using your marbles to take your opponents. you could come up with any game to play with any rules that does that and it would satisfy the game conditions.
There's just one problem: how do you think is someone gonna convince all of those other people who quite obviously have murderous tendencies or trust issues to see it your way.
I know that MatPat is never gonna see this, not I'm still waiting on that "true nature of Kirby part 2" episode. It's been 2 years Matthew! I get your busy, but please. I would really appreciate a part 2
The players don’t know that they’re playing for the VIP’s entertainment. If everyone collaborated, it would get stale and they would have changed the nature of the games to keep the interest of the VIP, like when they dimmed the lights during stepping stones.
This is the one. I get where MatPat is getting at, but this show IS like The Hunger Games where the entire point of it is to entertain the VIPs. They never cared about fairness.
This is the one. I get where MatPat is getting at, but this show IS like The Hunger Games where the entire point of it is to entertain the VIPs. They never cared about fairness.
I'm surprised it isn't being mentioned that each new Squid Game has a different set of games each time considering the VIP's didn't know what the Glass Bridge one was going to be. This means that there could be any combination of games in play that challenge the advice in this video. A single game could have rules that eliminate players 50/50 for all six games.
A little more research into Korean culture and you might actually like the glass game (because it fits the theme so well). The glass game I believe it's based on the "ladder game" which is a commonly played game in Korea. It's generally used to pick out winners/losers randomly. Ladders are stacked horizontally with alternating rungs. Players pick a path and they go down the ladder, crossing over every time there is a rung. If it is designed well, it's pretty hard to tell where you'll end up. The results are SUPPOSED to be random so taking the time to read the path is not allowed. To prevent someone reading the paths, sometimes the middle area is covered up. I think the glass game is a creative adaptation of it and turning off of the lights is similar to covering up the mid section to stop a player who is obviously reading the paths. Despite how everyone loves talking about "surviving" squid game I think it's supposed to be about gambling. In the end, everything was a game of chance. The whole organization was created by rich people looking for a new game to gamble on. It's a commentary on Korean society's love of gambling that shows up even in children's games. The ladder game is a really innocent game and is often played to decide who should win a prize or who should do the annoying chore. Which is why the glass game is such a fitting adaptation in squid games.
As some other comments have stated, Squid Game covers the "meritocracy myth" of capitalism, that everyone has fair chance to be successful, but behind the scenes the games were rigged from the start. No one but those on top will every truly win.
Wow… that is so interesting! I kinda thought it was a bit cheap to tbh but after this it sounds like a cool game and I totally agree about squid game gambling relating to Korean society
The glass game is actually a really common game called secret maze. You are given a set row of squares and one by one you have to guess what the maze combination is. You’re supposed to do it as a team and remember where someone went wrong to not in order to complete the entire maze combination. They simply turned the secret maze into death secret maze lmaoo
Yip, even when we use to pretend some tiles on the floor were safe and others were dangerous. Also, girls used to draw those squares on the sand and jump in them like a sequence.
The thing I wondered about with the marble game was the fact that it just said you had to get your opponent’s 10 marbles and not that you needed 20 marbles. I kept wondering if it would count as a win if you just swapped your marbles with your opponent’s. Technically, you would both have your opponent’s 10 marbles.
I think the reason the glass exploding happened was to make sure any remaining players still on the glass were killed off but since the survivors took too long, they got hit with the glass.
For the glass stepping game, could the players have used the shoes they took off to tell which glass it is? Like throwing the shoes hard enough at each glass panel, if it breaks or cracks go on the other panel.
@@muhammaduddin5884 Nothing said they couldn't hold their shoes, jus that they had to take them off. Which honestly makes sense, those shoes look like they might slip and you really don't want to slip in that game.
I feel like he just ignored the hidden rule of *"The Elite that pay to watch these games, as well as the Frontman that runs them, can choose to manipulate the games at any point"* unless we're just chocking that up as circumstantial.
@@IceRl1-v8d Yes, it's that hypocritical "Jigsaw" mentality where the Frontman convinces himself that he's being "fair" only to straight up manipulate the game for the entertainment of rich people.
I used to work in a glass factory, tempering department, the edges of the glass get wet sanded with sanding wheels and then heated to a temperature which turns glass into tempered glass, the edges are so much easier to see the difference than depicted in the show.
I mean, the reason the glass bridge game feels so out of place is that unlike the other games, it's directly inspired by another death game story: It's the steel beams challenge from Kaiji, with the story playing out much the same way -- the characters all end up having to go in a fixed order, causing some of them to push others off when they can't get by; the gamemasters bend the rules nearly to breaking point to get more players to die (switching off the lights in Squid Game, 'delaying' in switching off the power in Kaiji), and there's a deadly surprise waiting at the end (the exploding bridge and the air pressure respectively). Every other game is a children's game, and that one is an episode long homage to an older work that inspired the show.
It should also be said that "Cooperate with your fellow players" needs to go both ways. I'd wager the glassmaker decided not to help his fellow players mainly because of the behavior of people like the gangster, constantly treating his fellow players as adversaries to be eliminated, so volunteering his expertise before the jerks in the group were eliminated would've been a dangerous decision. Still, I agree that the tempered glass game was a bad challenge, having an elimination game like that so late in the challenge made it very plausible they wouldn't even see the sixth game because everyone had already been eliminated, especially given that there were more panels they needed to cross than there were players to make the crossing...
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Actually wasn't it 16 and 16... the first one could have been tested much smarter...
Why didn't they just sprint across the glass? Every time they went from panel to panel they like SLAMMED their body onto the glass, and even then we saw it hold their weight for at least a second. If you sprint across the panels only 50-60% of your body weight will be on a single panel for less than .5 a second--just don't stop running
@@watcheronly71 no bro like hop-sprinted and would pile drive his whole body weight onto the panes. if youre just sprinting you shouldn't have full weight on that panel
I doubt that would work. Worth a try i guess but I see somebody dying that way. Also to answer your question as to why they didn’t try that, they were panicking.
@@mzamnesia7190 I mean you can die so no one wants to take that risk no one was athelete to run that fast and someone did tried that and he was able to go past 3 panes and he fell down
The game that was spectacle than substance was also the one where the rich folks came to watch live. Doubt that was accidental. Once the ‘share holders’ got bored with the guy knowing the glass tricks, the game was changed to make it less fair. Definitely not an accident. I think it was supposed to bother you MatPat.
Yeah, you're pretty close to the message there. Even when you think you've figured out a path to success, the people who are already there can just change the rules to screw you over.
True. Some people forget that the whole games weren't meant to give the lowest people in society a chance to better their life but in order to provide amusement for the sick, psychopathic people at the top of capitalism. Therefore, anything that would have occurred that would make the games boring to its viewers would have caused intervention from its organizers anyway, so I don't feel like they'd let around a hundred people win the games in the end.
He uses dub clips because not everyone actually watches the videos. It's for people that listen to them like podcasts which he's said before in other videos.
@@kyokoyumi I just thought it was because most of his audience is English-speaking. Weird to think that people don't watch his videos and only listens, since the video is quite helpful and gives you nice graphs, charts, visual representations, or shows clips that make you better understand it.
Speaking of loopholes, anyone else believe that the marbles game could’ve been won by both partners? It says that you have to have all 10 of your partner’s marbles to win, but it doesn’t state that you have to have all 20. Couldn’t both partners agree to play a game where they essentially trade marbles? Hence, the gganbu “sharing everything” comment that Il-Nam made?
Yeah I was confused to... and also it says play a game with 10 marbles who ever looses dies what if you just DON'T play? It's not like they can force you? and even if you do create a game just create a game where at the end of it you both get 10 marbles
Actually if the glass maker had revealed his knowledge sooner the lights would have been turned off sooner to make it a "level playing field" for those who are not glass makers. The optimum strategy for him would have been to said nothing and let them guess why he looking at the light on the edges.
so you're saying it was turned off to make it fair to those without knowledge about glass right? if the glass maker had shared the idea, then it would make it a common knowledge to everyone. making it fair that they all know the same concept that he was using meaning there's no reason to turn the light off since it was fair that everybody knew.
@@lancejyrard2995 they turned them off because he had an unfair advantage that helped only those he chose to help. They said that they overlooked that accidentally when designing that specific game
I figured the glass tile game was supposed to be a variant of 'the floor is lava'- which is a common kids game wherein the floor is declared to be 'lava', as in you can't touch it, and you have to get around the room by jumping on various pieces of furniture or cushions.
The stepping glass game is based on a real game: in elementary school we used to put sheets of paper facing down with a yes or no written on it. You had to guess which paper had the title yes and step on it. After you did that someone who was elected as referee needed to check. If you stepped on no, you were “eliminated and had to go back in line. The first who got to the end of the bridge won.
For the glass panels, you could go full on Death Cube and throw your shoes on The Panels to see if they would break or not. As MatPat said, there are 18 sets of tiles, 16 players, that means 32 shoes. There is a 50/50 chance that one will break, that means that you would only have to use about 18-20 shoes. And the rules don't say you can't use shoes.
@@OldManYellsAtClouds wow this one is actually a strat I didn't hear yet that would allow you to survive even if you go first AND allow you to not actually lose anything in the process. Good job lol
@@OldManYellsAtClouds Why do all the people want to solve it with the shoes? How hard do you guys think you can swing/throw a shoe? The reinforeced glass tiles were strong enough to support 2 people on them at once. So one could sit on the chest of one another and the person that was below could swing his feet at the glass tiles. And if that was too much because of the injury risk they could at least have done that after the glass maker needed to hear the glass sounds, without destroying the glass.
@@timbraska6750 even simpler strat would be you all grab the back of the shirt of the guy in front of you Take the lightest person and have them step on the glas She (yes) falls you pull her up 15 people basically holding on to a single person Peanuts No rules broken
For the gamemaker turning off the lights in the glass challenge and it "not being fair" going against their spoken rules, I think that was kinda the point. Like, they spout off about how everythings fair and there's no advantages, but as the ones holding power, they are more concerned with entertaining the VIPS than playing by the rules. It plays into the shows larger metaphor of the upper class telling the lower classes "pull yourself up by your bootstraps, everyone has the same opportunities" when in reality they are pulling strings to keep people oppressed.
It was the point, which he missed. Thinking that the players could just work together and survive isn't understanding it. The game makers would have sabotaged the plans anyway. It wasn't meant to be fair but taking everything literally like he did ignores that.
Though there could be more than one winner, I always had a feeling that they make/adjust the last game so that there could only be one winner. Edit: In ep 5 of the show, there was only one winner listed per year. Granted, the creator may not intend that there will only be one winner, and this is just a coincidence or due to the winners' greed.
I think for sure the games are set up to ensure only one winner most of the time - the games go from the game eliminating you, to you eliminating players including those you may have formed bonds with, so encouraging betrayal and ruthlessness. Throw in some "special games" such as pressurising contestants to murder each other between games - it's more or less set up that those most likely resort to killing and doing whatever it takes to win are the ones remaining - the Sangwoo-esque characters. I would guess that the final round, regardless of the game, is always some kind of deathmatch, and they are probably usually given a weapon just before just the same. Even if it is a team game in the last round, the players are most likely so far gone and driven by the final prize, believing they alone deserve it, that they may very likely turn on teammates at the very end too, and surely by that point there's very little trust among the players. If it results in more than one winner it's probably the exception rather than the rule.
They played wrong according to intelligence, but they played perfectly according to the plot and themes of the show. More than one person was never going to be allowed to win the Squid Game.
When the cop guy was going through the records, you could clearly see that some games had multiple winners, and are you forgetting that squid game, as in the actual game called squid game is a team game?
Matpats assumptions make no sense. In the first episode it’s shown that some debts ore in the billions of won. For the players to pay off debts after splitting the prize they would need a lot more deaths
Based on the list of winners, it's clear that it's intended for only 1 to win in the end. They imposed extra 'games' in between to make things work out that way (for final 3 even if there was no injury, they could have just left them all there for days until 1 died of starvation/ thirst if they wanted, or something like that). Also, there is always the fear that bending the rules will result in elimination as I'm sure would be the case for the glass bridge part.
This is a stupid side theory, but didn't the rules in marbles NOT specify if you had to keep your own marbles? From what I remember they only said you had to get all 10 marbles from your opponent Knowing that you could have played a game of catch, exchanging your marbles at the same time and both won?
My dad and I watched this together and were basically yelling to just share the marbles like the old man said they were going to. We both have 20 marbles because we are sharing them.
the star is actually the second 'easiest' shape to make. the circle has no corners and straight lines so its a miracle ali survived that game without even being korean and having tried the game beforehand.
I don’t think there can be multiple winners. When the cop was looking through the records there was always one winner at the end of each game. And in this particular one, when there were two players left in the end they put them against each other. About the glass, if the glassmaker had started looking at the glass from the start, they would’ve turned the lights off sooner.
Agreed. Gojng purely by the rules, yes there can be multiple winners. However this is an entertainment show for rich assholes. I'm pretty certain that the games are selected according to the situation to ensure a 1v1 outcome at the end. It makes it more entertaining that way.
@@XYZ-ll1kw I dunno about that, the 1v1 makes it dramatic for sure, but I think a squid game (The actual squid game) would be more interesting with multiple people
I mean tbf they quite clearly set it up where the game didn’t start until one of the three died. Like… they waited until the woman died to enter and then started the game never before
"subs are always better than dubs" as an anime lover, definitely! i cant imagine watching any movies with the change of the character voice, it's ruining the whole experience
8:00 This fails to take into consideration the insanely high amounts of debt a lot of the characters had. They showed people with Billions in debt, so while 800M Won is certainly a lot, it isnt guaranteed to cover everything, which is why people want the prize pool to get bigger.
Right, exactly. Sang-Woo in particular owed something like the equivalent of 5 million US dollars, AND the cops were after him for fraud, so it makes a lot of sense that he specifically wanted to reduce the competition.
The other part that bugged me so much with the marble game was that the instructions were to get your team mates 10 marbles, NOT to collect all 20. That meant that you could swap marble sets and both win, seeing as both players would then have the other's marbles. But because of the conditioning of the previous challenges everyone assumed it was one or the other.
For being the smartest person in the room, all of Song Woo's ideas are dumb? For being the smartest person in the room with an amazing economic education, he amassed quite the amount of debt.
I feel like the 7:40 breakdown of the glass jumping challenge not being fair misses the point of the show: it isn't fair. It never has been. As organized and powerful the perpetrators of the game are, and as much as they claim to defend fairness, it's not fair. For any of the debtors. It's symbolic because it IS empty, needlessly bloody, painful spectacle. Age, gender, physical prowess, social status all inherently put some over others. It also isn't fair because these are all desperate people who essentially CAN'T say no to playing this murderous and suicidal game. It's yet another sign that the words of the organizers are empty because they obviously can't really keep their word. It's all entertainment to the VIPs and those who only see them as statistics, and an allegory for how even programs purportedly meant to give the poor a fair chance aren't entirely effective.
Stepping glass game is based off of Stepping Stones. There's two rows of 10 slabs/stones or anything flat to step too, then there's the watcher who draws the stones on a piece of paper and puts an X on the stones that would cause you to lose the game and the pen used is thrown away and the watcher only has the sheet of paper that has the X'd out stones and clear stones. The game begins and if you jump onto a clear stone the watcher shouts 'step' and then if you hit a stone marked with a cross then the watcher shouts 'Stone' and your out of the game and sit down on the stone that you lost on. Then game continues till you have a winner and they become the watcher in the next game.
I like how Cinema Summary teaches us to be the sole survivor and Film Theorist teaches us to win as a group. You can tell who likes group projects and who don't. 😹
When you put it like that, yeah as someone who didn’t like group projects I would sacrifice everyone in a Squid Game and die. I doubt I could work with most people in the show
Fun fact, MatPat actually doesn’t like group projects,for the sole purpose that no one else wants to win as a group, or puts in the same effort. Like, in a real life Squid Game scenario, he wouldn’t be able to actually work with anyone cuz everyone would have their own goal in mind
@@whatevername4873 MatPat has obviously never been to a real-life casino. The kind of people who'd gamble their lives for a pile of cash that keeps growin' with every contestant that is "eliminated" ain't gonna work together and split the pot when they could be the last man standin' and keep the whole thing.
There can't be more than one winner because when detective Jun ho goes through the game files he finds out that every year had exactly one winner. This detail made it easy to predict what the ending would be like for me.
@@vectomethe2nd137 but think about it. It’s a death game where the rich watch the poor subjected to the worst risk reward ratio. What makes you think they’ll allow multiple survivors? It’s basically the Thunderdome setup “two men enter, one man leaves”
The German dub is really good. "Majority" is actually translated to majority, and in the marbles game, the rules state, that you have to take the marbles without force.
When I first saw the glass game, I admittedly thought and said “Why not just step on the edges with out having to actually step the glass OR literally just reach and kick the glass or slam your feet to break it.” Personally the glass one could of been easy to trick or loop around but instead the player played the game the death way.
Yeah exactly what I said. Grab someone by the legs and have them reach down to the glass, or walk on the edges which'll be a lot more difficult... Or just have someone flexible do the splits and reach onto the next glass piece.
"If the glass expert shared earlier, everyone could have survived."
Except once the game-master realized what he was doing, they turned out the lights. Waiting until there were only a few panels left was actually the most sound strategy for his own survival.
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Poor MatPat never played "Explosive Glass Bridge" as a kid?! Who would have guessed it?
Sad how the new generation is missing out on all the things we did as kids
@@notBrandonNova Seriously!
Back in my day we didn't even have glass! We had to make the panels out of toothpicks by hand! In the snow! Uphill both ways!
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For the red light green light game, my idea for a strategy is walk fast, don’t run. Running will make you slip up easier because your body is not used to stopping at that speed, walking fast makes you take true and even steps, that you can stand in, also the time limit is long, so you’ll probably be able to make it with this too. Second, stay close to the wall, so you have something to hold against if worst comes to worst
Good strategy, but walking next to the wall is only good if you started the game beside or close to the wall already, as walking from the centre to the wall is going to take a lot more time than just walking forward
As someone who used to play games similar to red light green light, I did this and it definitely works. Just don't be to close to anyone, they might push you bc that's all people did for some reason
I always used to win this game by walking on all fours so I had more points of contact with the floor to stop me wobbling. Not the fastest method but obviously you don’t need to come first in this, just make it in 5 minutes
This. Basic recess strats. Works 90% of the time!
and you should not be in running stance your stance should be loaftly as possible so you can easily stop it
A small thing I loved in squid game, when all the glass shattered at the end of the 5th game, people actually got cut. So often in movies/shows glasses is treated as harmless and it was cool that it was shown that glass is actually pretty dangerous
Yea, I remember watching and thinking, "that is so dangerous someone couls get hurt." Somehow is was surprised when someone actually got hurt.
@@yeemawheaver1387 “is was”
Yeah that was a really bad scene that broke the narrative but contributes to the socioeconomic message
@@gaberobison680 how?
It was horrible that that stupid glass explosion was the catalyst for the death of my dear Sae-byeok
That's why they had the bonus games between rounds: to reduce the number of players to the correct amount. When players got too creative the Front Man intervened. If the players knew ahead of time there will only be one winner/survivor all of the married couples would have noped out or in desperation sent only one spouse. The illusion of multiple winners is what gave the players false hope.
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Theoretically, couldn't there have been multiple winners? What reason do we have to believe that there can only be one winner? Unless I'm forgetting something, if there were 4 players where that one dude killed the girl who got stabbed with glass and neither of them attacked the other, the squid game would happen and there would be two winners.
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If there were multiple winners they would have just changed the game until they could ensure only one winner.
The games aren't announced until after they already know how many people are playing.
"Ignore Sangwoo"
No, yeah, he's got a point
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I got a chuckle too but he wasn't dumb imo he was evil. Of all the people there even the thug guy he was the most evil. Everything about him was a fraud and he collateralized his mother's property to cheat the markets. Everyone else kind of had either a rough life or fell in to their debts.
i feel like in a situation like this where everyone is against each other u gotta ignore the smart ppl bcuz they r only gonna keep the good solutions for themselves
Well hes dead now so were good
While it's extremely easy for us as theorist watching from the comfort of our homes without the fear of danger to theorise loopholes to try and beat the games, you have to remember that the people in the games are all tired, beat up, scared and emotional. This can be seen in the very first recruitment scene, when Gi Hun is so angry and being slapped that he can't think clearly and nearly gives up 100 000 just because he wants to get his revenge.
Not to mention they were starved and just fed enough to not die 🤣🤣🤣
The mastermind was 001 all along.
True, but what you should also recognize is, that those people had all day long with nothing to do but to come up with plans and strategies to beat those games. After the first shock is gone, people would and should talk all day about strategies and what to do and not do in what cases. The series started out with Kang Sae-byeok (067) to try to collect information between the games (leading to her find out about the honeydough), just to drop this attempts alltogether and her sitting around doing nothing for the rest of the show, for instance.
@@prinegonbevaris1788 hard to come up with strats when you don't even know what the game is going to be.
Sneaking off to the bathrooms would have been ceased or caught on if they tried it every time. It would just be impossible.
Especially if they pulled a sneaky like the "partner up" to throw players off.
The best thing players could have done was just not come back to the game.
@cnmmd qiuoo no the rule was you have to have all 20 marbles when the time ends.
But when the detective was looking through the files of previous games, every single one only had one final winner. Something tells me the whole thing is rigged to ensure just one winner remains in the end, and also to give the contestants a harder time to better entertain the V.I.P.s.
something tells you? you mean everything about the game?
@@BrianaLynn7 Well yeah, cause technically more than one person can survive. Although the previous games all had only one winner which is suspicious.
@@generaltom6850 because it’s obviously rigged
maybe just the last game is built that way so only one is left standing
Hi! I worked with glass for a living (came from a master glazier family). Anyway, weird thing about glass--the edges of glass are super weak to focused pressure, so that's a no go. BUT!!! The easiest ways to tell tempered glass from non-tempered glass are actually super simple (probably because safety glass is designed around safety). Anyway, tempered glass always gets stamped in the corner, and in the rare case that that didn't happen, it's always got smoothed edges. Now, here's the fun part. They clearly could only go so far in terms of how much they could dictate the construction of these challenges, and they would also be limited by simply not knowing what to ask about how the glass would need to be modified for a death game (no stamps, no smooth edges). Without knowledge, the rich people would probably end up trying to just make sure to buy high end materials and, in a funny twist, get glass that was definitely made to code. In other words, the easiest ways to identify tempered glass would probably remain.
So, armed with this knowledge, you go in, and you immediately start jumping onto the stamped glass. And once they see that you've got a visual cue, they hit the lights. Those panes aren't very far apart, so you've still got options. The next step is just reaching out and running your hand along the next pane. The safety glass won't cut you, and the breakable stuff will.
Anyways, Iiii just wanted to share that in a place I was a little more confident I wouldn't get yelled at by someone on the internet. Because apparently glass knowledge is uncommon, and knowledge should be shared.
This is all really cool ^^. Didn't know edges of glass were so fragile. Getting cuts on your hands is definitely a lot better than going splat too lol
@@norwaysmith2421 I'd say so--honestly glass cuts don't hurt a ton? They're super sharp, so the scary part isn't the cut itself, but being careful not to let it be too deep or bleed too much. Not ah... not a fun lesson to learn there.
Anyway, yeah, like, SUPER fragile edges. You would not believe how many windows I've fixed that spiderwebbed in from the edges because the glass got just a liiiittle too compressed from the seasonal shift in temperature.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge! :)
Thanks for sharing!
Unless you're an Asian glass maker toward the back of the line, of course.
I love how when MatPat can't find a brand, he'll just sponsor the entire fricking product. EVERY brand that makes USB power-banks is sponsored by MatPat.
Am the first reply :]
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u mean everyone sponsors him. if he sponsored all the powerbank brands hed become broke
The glass game reminded me a bit of hopscotch, or "the floor is lava", or "step on a crack, break your mother's back!" so it worked for me as a children's game. I also did not like that they turned off the lights, but I think that was shown to be done for the VIP's benefit. The glass explosion at the end just felt like cheating though.
Yeah. It was cheating. That's the whole point of the series. Literally everything in the games is unfair and arbitrary, despite the Frontman's script.
The glass explosion is the "Get rid of Timed out players" elimination. Deok-Su was the one that intentionally brought them closer to timing out.
The lights were turned off because a player an unfair advantage. He made glass for 30 years and can see the difference.
I hated that too, but that’s exactly what they were trying to accomplish, so they succeeded
I don't know why they didn't just walk on the beams between the two walkways. It really wouldn't have been that hard
@@sorrenblitz805 They know why the lights were turned off they just said it was unfair either way
When you're complaining about the "unfairness" in the glass scene the oligarchs wanted to be entertained they're essentially stock holders and we all know companies like to keep their shareholders happy even if it costs a few people their jobs (lives)
Which is really realistic companies get toyed with to make investors happy ideally this wouldn’t happen
It could also represent how unfair life is due to its 50/50 chance with each panel and how only a few people actually achieve success from the masses but that’s completely open to interpretation
I think the concept of Squid games is that the Game masters pretend that it's fair, when it's not. It's all about entertaining the rich guys - which is why they turn off the lights on the glass bridge.
Basicly it's about capitalism
BTW I cannot like your comment it's at 69 and I don't want to ruin it
It was "fair" while the front man was ib charge, and got unfair when the rich men showed up.
@@Moni-ob7xi No, it's more like communism
or any country with big government.
@@rexventura4603 let me guess, socialism is when the government does stuff, and if the government does enough stuff, it's communism?
@@rexventura4603 I’m considering socialism as when all property is owned by government
- And when government own everything, it's communism?
what next? earth is flat?
I really love the message that while money doesn't buy happiness , you need to have money to get your basic needs met and that will allow you to gain happiness elsewhere. I hate when people tell poor people that "money doesn't buy happiness" as a form of... I don't even know, reassurance? because, sure, money can't buy happiness, but not having money brings so many problems and anxieties with it. You need money to live comfortably.
Exactly. And sometimes you need money to live in the first place, like te case of the protagonist mother. (and many other people in the world that can't afford enough medical care)
There was a study done once where they compared self-reported happiness with income level. There is an income range where people are happier. Money absolutely buys happiness, you just can't have too little of it or too much of it or you'll cross the threshold back into unhappy.
@@jennastewart7290 when u possess no inner peace then yes for sure money buys happiness
@@Deprexx It's hard to be happy when you can't afford food. Go ahead and try to namaste your way out of that. 😂😂
The world is cruel, happiness without money is simply impossible
The world will slap you directly in the face if your life style is no money but a Golden heart
Actually, if the glass guy had chosen to help everyone instead of letting them die he would have died sooner. By standing out and making the game no fun he would risk being targeted by the front man, which is exactly what happened. The front man would have shut the lights off sooner and since the glass guy would have had to be in the front to see the glass now he was the one who had to continue making the moves (which almost certainly would have led to his death). The other players would have definitely not played fair and let him back to his cozy spot close to the back.
So his decision is actually what almost led him to living, he had a 50/50 percent chance at the end since there was only one set of panels remaining, unfortunately he drew the short stick.
Dang bro your smart
Also they had to go in order...
What gets me about the whole 'marble' solution at the end is... Couldn't he have just tapped the glass next to him to see if that would have made the same noise?
@@LoveValentineXO A marble bouncing on glass without a hand/fingers attached to marble would make a different sound from a hand/fingers holding a marble.
Why are y’all this smart
You know what's interesting about the games? Half of the games had a guaranteed 50% survival rate while the other half had a potential 100% survival rate
That’s kind of the idea. The ideal thing is to help everyone survive. Even if no one unnecessarily dies, you get a ton of cash. MrBeast did it wrong when he said only one person could win
That’s literally what he said…
I just thought that this isn't something that the frontman would have allowed. The glass panel game showed that. Mattpat is right that this goes against everyone having a fair chance thing but so does allowing a fight between participants outside of the game. It's a lie anyway. The frontman wants a show and not Teamwork . There is a reason why there has only been one winner every year. They make sure of that and lie that multiple will/can win.
So, in best case scenario - 57 people survives, each getting a bit more than half a million USD. But 399 people die. Well, in the series there were 55 deaths more, taking into account that 001 was not killed.
@@IulianYT plus it would never be on everyones minds that everyone should survive. to many of them (including the doctor) a half million would not sound like much
The Glass Stepping Stones is beyond terrifying for me. I see them as symbolism that no matter how much personal skill, knowledge, or resources that you will always have to be lucky to become successful.
What an odd interpretation
@@user-he2ou2ex2f I think it makes sense. The first four games all had elements of skill and knowledge based games. The glass bridge has no skill, it’s all chance. If Squid Games is a critique of Capitalism then each game would represent different stages of gaining wealth and eventually one stage of gaining wealth requires just plain luck.
You'd just have to be wise and follow the rules of game and utilize common sense.
Lol said by every poor person I ever met
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I also wondered the same thing with the beam but the game runners probably would have done something. They did turn off the light when they found someone getting around not knowing which glass is which
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Yeah but like he said in the video... Not allowing the ayers to make use of their own intellect and actually purposely sabotaging them is against the equality rule. Makes no sense.
Oh for sure. The game was set up for the VIPs enjoyment and gambling. People were bound to die in this one even if they used the support beams.
Probably electrified or smth
Thw guy who can difference the two glasses should have to use his jacket zipper hitting the glass to hear both. Or use the marble first in his glass (which was safe) and then in another. IDK if danger of death can justify that someone expert in glass cannot think about making that. (sry for the bad english).
In the show Hwang Jun-Ho (The cop) finds a list of winners from previous games in a records room but there is only one winner per game so there can only be one winner per game. The shape-faces don't state this as a rule at the start because they want the players to think their odds for survival are better than they are. Frontman and his staff choose which games to use based on how many players are still alive to ensure that only one player wins the game. It's Battle Royale with extra steps.
Which is also why it would be so good if this particular round of games was different and more than 1 survived.
I kept asking myself... Why is it that we're seeing this particular round of games unfold when it's apparently no different that the hundreds of rounds happened before it over years maybe decades.. ?
Is it only cuz our protag is there? But the protag alos has nothing peculiar about him other than dumb luck and 20% smarts. Really.
Also fall guys with extra extra steps.
Exactly, there's always only one winner. Going on the theory of this episode, you will just get a lot of senseless deaths, before majority of the players vote to quit, because they are disadvantaged. This episode was a big miss for me.
Someone’s getting laid in college
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Sung-Woo was smart, but he was too focused on eliminating the people around him instead of using them as a buffer against the next challenges. Like you said, the more people around you to take the hits, the more likely you are to survive. He just wanted to get rid of the people around him since they were easier to manipulate (he had their trust).
I don't think so...
He done that only in 1 game(that shapes game) and in that game no one actually got eliminated.
Apart from that it's the situations which demanded. He never targetted anyone of his teammates.
Exactly. Sung-woo is smart, but intelligence doesn't stop you from your primal self and your selfish instincts, like greed. He wanted all the money, and no one else to take it, and he was inherently distrusting.
@@mrbme I still agree with the comment though ngl. He was too busy on eliminating others, or finding ways to manipulate, staying on edge. That’s what led to Gi Hun not trusting him in the end. Gi Hun would’ve killed Sang Woo if player 67 hadn’t stopped him
Fun fact: in the last game-- namely called squid game-- there can only be one winner. you can start in teams of defensive and offensive sides, but only one person can touch the end to be the sole victor. I think the game makers always choose games where there can be one winner as the final game because there was only 1 winner per each annual squid game in the records room that the Junho found.
edit: so i’ve been informed by a few replies that the whole team wins when someone makes it to the end. but my family and i play with only one winner so ig rules can vary depending on how u wanna play:)
What if the defense wins?
@@pct87 Fight to the death
The reason is the game loops with the ones who survive fighting each other until one left
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Yeah, I figured that was the deal when the cop saw the files of past victors. Only one per game.
Still, you would want as many other payers in the game up until game 6. Both points are true.
During the Tempered Glass game, I'm still surprised nobody tried to walk on the beams holding the glass
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i mean, it wasn't against the rules as far as we know, so it's actually pretty dumb no one did it
im surprised that 400 hardened criminals didnt charge the 5 guards at the start .......im also surprised the only bad person in 400 people was a big buff dude XD .....who fell in love with a sterotype of an evil catfish woman ......im also surprised that no one could figure out the old man with " number 1 " on his jacket was the bad guy. but most of all im surprised people pretend that they liked this XD
@@bladoodyscabloody1143 idk about hardened criminals, gang members for some maybe but I think it's mostly just people who rode to close to the sun and wasted money
@@bladoodyscabloody1143 wonder how it feels to just hate everything and be a total badass
Matt's strategy doesn't take into account one teeny weeny, crucial little detail, the tendency for people in a desperate situation (exactly the people the game targets) are prone to making irrational and gut-based intuitive calls about things, which are frequently wrong. This is also where the issue of instinctual attitudes of, "either me or them" becomes an issue and fucks over basically everyone.
The prisoners dilemma intensifies.
Yup that recurs in shows like this
Also doesn't take into account that the Front Man was engineering everything from the start to lead to one winner. The past logs of winners the cop found never showed more than one winner a year, and even if everyone played the game in previous years like they did in the show, it would still be odd not to have multiple winners at least every now and then... unless the game was set up in a way to purposely make it so no more than one could win.
This game was being bet on by a bunch of rich elites who want some gruesome entertainment. The Front Man's response to the glass expert in the jumping game was proof that you cant just exploit loopholes. The glass expert should've done the opposite of what this video said. Instead of finally sharing with the others how he could tell the difference, he should've kept quiet. It might have taken the VIPs and the Front Man longer to catch on and he could've made it, thus revealing the safe passage for all behind him.
Not trying to be mean but following this video trying to outsmart the Front Man would probably get you killed sooner than later. You cant math your way out of this, because there are obviously no set defined rules other than the 3 rules from the start.
Also, hiding behind someone during the Red Light, Green Light wasnt the worst idea at all. It did block the doll's camera from detecting you, and even the main character still made it despite being buried under dead bodies from when everyone panicked.
@@tylerwellman8252 he got to the second last tile exploiting loopholes tho they couldve done that for the final tile
That was the point of all the things they did outside the games.
One thing I've always thought was annoying was how, with the glass panel game, they have to take their shoes off but nobody even thinks to take the shoes with them and try to even just throw them at the glass. The rule was the can't be wearing their shoes, but nothing was said about not being allowed to carry them with you.
That’s exactly what I thought as well
I'd have certainly tied the laces together and used them like nunchucks to slam the glass from far away.
@@SomeRUclipsTraveler dats smart
@@SomeRUclipsTraveler the shoes don't have laces. Good thinking though
MatPat brought forth a good idea for the tempered glass game. Standing in the middle with the supporting beams would've been smarter than to risk a 50/50 chance of dying from standing on the actual glass.
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the issue i think everyone is forgetting is that these people have barely ate or slept for 4-5 days. None of them are able to think critically at this point.
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@@trustsfundbaby7344 that is a fair point.
The reason Sang-woo asked everyone to split into shapes in the honey cone game is to single out the old man and make sure he dies. Sang-woo realized the old man would become a liability to the group and Gi-hun won't have the guts to kick him out. So Sang-woo staged the whole testing speech and tried to get the umbrella shape to old man. Until Gi-hun decided to swap with old man.
Nice analysis thanks you
Imagine if everybody won all of the games. Nobody moved on the red lights, everybody licks their cookie shape, somebody cuts the rope in tug of war, the glass expert silently, perfectly figures out which tiles are tempered (and goes first), and somebody comes up with the brilliant idea to just _take each others' marbles_ and not force someone to be marble-less.
Then half or all would still die in the final game, Squid Game. That's basically a fail safe in case everybody does somehow survive
As matt mentioned. Tug of war and marbles would already eliminate half. Then you have to consider that these r not normal people. There is a reason they were chosen to play the squid games. Also the makers would just have them figth to the end.
The marble game idea is brilliant but in the glass game the glass expert getting it right everytime would seem suspicious to the guards so they would look at her / his information, see the 'worked at a glass factory' information and close the lights just like they did in the show. The glass expert not saying anything about it wouldn't change anything.
Refusing to play is against the rules so everyone dies
Squid game, marbles game and Tug of war ensure half the people will die you can argue with marbles game there's a loophole but not the other 2 so at the very best 25% of the player's will survive,if there's no loophole in marbles game it goes down to 12.5%
BUT MATPAT,
If the tempered glass guy revealed his knowledge earlier in the glass game the directors would have just taken away the light he needed, which would probably make everybody panic resulting in nobody making it across.
I think hunger, sleep deprivation, and trauma makes it a lot harder to see clever solutions or consider these statistics or heck, to even be aware of the clues on the wall. You need a very strong will to live, and to have a good enough upbringing to stay present. So another factor with this is 'what do you have to live for?' (as we see literally decide fates in the marble game). If you are desperate enough for money to participate, it better be for noble reasons, or you will sort of sabotage yourself at a certain point from clouded judgement & trauma, or become so selfish you will sabotage your allegiances and make hasty choices. For being morally reprehensible, the whole game is a fascinating lesson in the value of having your priorities straight. It makes sense that someone with a pretty pure heart ended up winning, he's certainly the Charlie of this murderous chocolate factory.
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Yo I actually agree. Sleep deprivation, stress and not getting enough food are factors that affect you in such situations. Which is why it's actually more important that you are thinking and strategising in the first few games and making alliances so that later you'd have more heads to think on a solution.
I do agree that you need the right upbringing to not be greedy enough and want to actually win for a noble cause. But it's also unbelievable that none of them thought out of the box solutions more often. Desparation can sometimes help certain people think creatively. They did portray that during the second game so why not make more use of that and add layers to it?
Lastly... It was just frustrating that the police officer and the lead players never met. It would be great to see them allied and break the system from within. I was really waiting for that to happen. The police guy didn't have a lotta stressors other than being very sneaky and we learn that he's pretty good at that for going undetected for a long time. Soo yeah.. Just my two cents anyway
There's also the fact that most of the people there are in heavy debt due to some of their poor decision making in life. So it's not far off to say some or most of them aren't the brightest.
aka don't go into debt
and don't play the game
Also they were timed - - that added a huge amount of pressure. It's easy to think of solutions after watching the game and getting to think about it after.
I wholeheartedly agree with your beef about the glass game. I was thinking the same thing. I was also thinking how unfair it was to have the distance to jump nearly double if you switched sides. And how EXTREMELY unrealistic it was that everyone seemed to have no fear of heights. In the real world, at least one of those people would have refused to play (preferring the bullet to the fall) or would have froze halfway through after looking down.
I kinda have to disagree. Even if you had a fear of heights, I think knowing that there’s a person literally pointing a gun at you + the prospect of winning would motivate you to keep going. The idea that one of those players would actually stop playing because of a fear of heights after enduring the past five games is far more unrealistic.
they're all strong adults, if they know they would win a huge cash prize, surely that would keep them going
My biggest gripe was that somehow, *no one* ended up slipping, despite making those massive jumps onto glass panels.
@@Destinum That was my biggest thing, I was waiting for someone to jump and not make it. Or jump too far and fall off the edge
@@Destinum to be fair, they were barefoot, which means their feet were likely to have some grip/stickiness
You're missing something: If the glassmaker had revealed himself earlier in the game, it would have worse, not better. Remember that the Face Man, once he realized what the glassmaker was doing, cut the lights, killing his ability to make the decision, and only 3 contestants survived that round, him not being one of them. Had done it earlier, they'd have been much less far across before the glassmaker lost that ability, and potentially end the game with 1 or 0 survivors.
Not just that, the people guessing which glass to step on next and getting it right, could've been getting it wrong had he gotten the first few correct. So the ending could've been very different.
I suppose if he had chosen to cooperate with only a few other players he would have told them quietly, trying to keep the information within the party. Thus the Face Man would not have known that. I know its a bit of a stretch but I'm just throwing out ideas hahaha
I mean it’s trial by error without the glassmaker, you literally can’t start that game with players outnumbering the glass panels and have no survivors. You’d have to have people blatantly killing each other or themselves to lose that.
I also thought that
But how do you just teach someone to see something he learned in years worth of working at a glass industry
He'd have to go up front, get a few glasses n then the lights go out
Chances are they wont let him go back to his original place once that happens either
With the extra glasses won from it however there could of been at most 5 survivors since they would b that many tiles closer
Was killing the lights not a dumb thing to do though? Mr. "Everyone gets a fair chance" cheats and changes the rules the moment he finds out that the survivors actually started to work together for once.
About the pictures on the walls, they only got revealed as more and more people got eliminated and didn't show the order of the games while giving a vague description of them
A few things to point out:
-when the officer (I forgot his name) is going through the list of winners, there is only one winner in each game. I’m guessing that there could be multiple winners, but the staff are constantly trying to eliminate players.
(This is one more for the legality video) -in the episode “V.I.P.S” one of the VIP’s remark “the contest in Korea was the best” so this could imply that there are multiple games being held in multiple countries.
Wasn't there one year that had two?
Not sure about the two winners, but I agree with OP. It’s a show, and much like the Hunger Games, I don’t think the VIPs would find it entertaining if more than one person won. More than likely, the games are planned in such a way that there will probably only be one winner.
Except you can vote anytime to stop the game. So all you have to do is requiring a vote before each game after the rules has been enonced.
If they know you'll ask for a vote, and thry want the game to continue, they won't put you in a battle royal game when you have only a chance on 30 to survive.
By doing this, you assure each game give you 50% or more chance to survive. Giving you 1 chance of 64 min.
...which is low, but better than a chance of 550.
Maaaannn. The game in Brazil must have been wild. Kids back then had some games like throwing small powder bombs (called Cabeças de Nego) here and others like Fusca Azul, constinsting of a group of kids spanking eachother when they immediatly find a blue beetle parked somewhere; if one finds it and yells the word, its all by themselves
imagine Mexico lmao
I think no matter how many of players make it through the five games, they would have devised a game in such a way only one person is left. The list of winners is evidence of that.
Exactly!
Agree.
Thank god I was starting to think I made it up
I agree with u. In-between games there's mind games and its bloody. So u cant find solution with the game and make u fight against others. Theres not just 6games matpat.
i honestly wish that they at least put a year where there was more than one winner so that it makes it sadder knowing that other players could have survived
I think the Marble games has a loophole:
The game explicitly says "A player who manages to take all ten marbles from their partner wins".
It never states that you have to have all 20 marbles. Nor that there is only one winner. You could just exchange the marbles at the beginning of the game, and both partners could win.
I was just thinking that!
Exactly. I thought for sure one of the characters would think of it when I was watching the show.
looooooool i didn't touhgt about that you are right!
That's what I was thinking as well!!
They could ask one of the guards to watch them exchange marbles and call it a win
one thing I noticed while watching squid game: in the marble game, both players could have just given each other their bag and both of them would have their opponents 10 marbles. They never said you had to have all 20.
They said exactly that. The one to have 20 marbles in the end, wins.
each of them could have 10 marbles, and no one gets eliminated, thats if a plot twist happens and both of them get eliminated.
@@sherlockholmes882 Hm, in the Russian translation they say - "the game is called *TEN* marbles", "the scope of the game is to get *TEN* marbles from the opponent", and she repeated it twice. From this input - it seems that the players could just switch pockets and game over.
@@IulianYTscripts are slightly different in other countries, seems the russian script mestup.
Actually what the glass maker did was pretty smart, if he revealed his abilities earlier almost everybody could’ve died as they would turn off the lights anyway. So I very much disagree it was just unlucky other players wasted time.
But that’s with hindsight
I agree
Also he could only see the glass in front of him. So couldn't warn the players in front of him. They choose their numbers before they knew what the next game was.
@@trevorkorber but hindsight is what film theories always are.
They only shut off the lights because he revealed his strategy.
In the glass panel game they didn't say you cannot throw the shoes to break the glass, you had a pair of shoes for each player, everybody could have survived.
Not sure throwing shoes would be enough to break the untempered glass. Still though, they could have tried. The frontman and VIPS wouldn't have let them get away with this though most likely, considering how they quickly adjusted things to prevent the from using his prior knowledge.
@@rylace I think that they turned off the lights because one of the players had an unfair advantage. And throwing a shoe to a intemperate glass will break it no problem, you just have to throw it with force, but not much.
I mean, unless you're yeeting the shoes at the glass which is understandable, shoes aren't gonna have enough weight behind them to break the non-tempered glass.
@@mackenziewoloschuk7375 maybe use a jacket or two and collect numbers of shoes in there and tie it. Making it like a bag and then with the arm part of the jacket act as a handle, throw the bag but not completely throw it as you need to hold onto the jacket. Now you have glass breaker while you also have a weapon. At least be safe there and keep your balance while at it
Exactly 👍👍.
The glassmaker sharing his knowledge gets the lights turned off, taking away his advantage. Keeping it to himself was the best choice, there, he should've volunteered to go first and not shared how he was solving it until after the fact
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Actually, they would've been screwed sooner. When the Masks saw him exercise his knowledge, they realized he was a Glassmaker and because of the File they have on him and all the other players, they hit the lights.
True, but since the VIPs were watching they would've eventually found out probably.
@@C.Dat.guyoverthere Only because he was using his knowledge. As harsh as it was, it gave that one player a huge advantage in that particular game. And to make it 'fair' (cruel) they removed his advantage.
i was thinking same thing, he could have crossed over and if the other people didn't watch how he did it that's there problem.
If the glassmaker uses his knowledge from the beginning, the Front Man would have dimmed the lights sooner, so the dilemma would remain.
The glass tiles game was like hopscotch.
Most people’s motives for their decisions made conplete sense, people just love to twist their decisions into a bad thing. Glassmaker was a smart man, he just went a tiny bit too early
It really bothered me that seemingly everyone forgot that there is no rule that only one person can win, glad to see it addressed
would you share $100,000 with anyone else if you where playing the game only to win $50,000 while your partner got the other half?
@@dougcha1538 yup, sharing is caring
@@dougcha1538 umm yeah when the other option is death also it's if I'm getting a guaranteed 600,000 like matpat said plus guaranteed survival who wouldn't take that deal?
The final game is literally killing each other until there's only 1
@@notengocreatividadparaunno1419 exactly, and nobody is sharing money in a death game tf lmao
They could have taken the shoes with them on the bridge. Tie then together and use them as a sledge hammer to bash the glass before they jump on it.
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The shoes didn't have laces
Wow your comment got Bot bombed.
Im pretty sure they were clearly instructed to put off their shoes and not wear them
I doubt the people in charge would have been fine with that.
I think the reason why the Glass Tiles game was so much more extravagant was because the V.I.P.s were there. Front Man makes a point to showcase a model and build up excitement. It’s like seeing a concert live vs on TV, it’s gotta feel more exciting and showy
nope, it was lifted from the anime that inspired most of squid game.
Like in danganronpa
Season 2 is gonna tackle the "everyone works together" method. The trailer already alludes to too many people being alive that the games have to be extended. I'm so excited to see what happens
I think the glass bridge was supposed to be hop-scotch. Also, noticed how the rules weren't "have 20 marbles" but have the other players 10 marble. Just swap bags. There, both survive. Unless I'm remembering the rules wrong
My korean grandma told me that as a child they did the game but with ice during winter
@@Lakjager ohhh, ok
"gganbu share everything"
Dang maybe that was a hint that they could have just swapped the bags
Finally someone else noticed this! I *immediately* knew this was a loophole when they stated the rules.
To clarify further, as I said in my own post:
You all missed it.
Marbles was NOT a 50% elimination game. Everyone just missed the trick. It was a test, and they all failed.
Remember the old man? He said gganbu share everything. How they trust each other with all their possessions?
The rules said, "the player to win their opponent's ten marbles wins". They didn't say you had to have twenty marbles.
So long as you both swapped all ten marbles, each being sure to not have kept your own... both could have won.
On a technicality, sure - but the game is fair above all else. They would have let it slide.
The marbles strategy is in sane but within the rules. I wonder why no team tried it. I think the husband and wife team could have had a go at that strategy to see if it was eligible. The fellow was quite forlorn when his wife selected to die.
Technically, in the 4th game the rule wasn’t “get all 20 marbles”, it was “get all 10 of your partner’s marbles”. That means if people actually thought it out they could trade bags with your partner, thus obtaining all 10 of their partners marbles/they get all 10 of yours.
Notice that the group dynamics at that point caused people to team with friends. That eliminated the obvious tactic of "slam your partner's head into a wall and take his marbles", which I thought of immediately.
@@stevenscott2136 The tactic of "slam your partner's head into a wall and take his marbles" was already prohibited , as one of the rules for the marble game stated that you couldn't forcefully take your partners marbles.
@@stevenscott2136 force was prohibited also one of my pet peeves of the show is that they lied to the players. they said choose a partner then when they got in they said oh your not actually partners your opponents. it was a lie they should have made it ambiguous or said the truth like " choose another player" or "choose an opponent"
@@BeyondTilted partner isn't exactly a lie, just because they are against each other in that game doesn't mean they're not partners. Partners can just mean 2 people doing the same activity. Also, why wouldn't they lie or mislead?? The Front Man says that the games are 'fair' but the point of the whole show is that they are not actually fair... the higher ups just want you to think it is fair.
@@clairepetersen7831 no that’s a miss read of the show. It was supposed to actually be fair but the writer made it not actually fair through bad writing. There was nothing to suggest that they weren’t supposed to be fair. Also no the words partner and team were used if I remember correctly both of which imply working together. You don’t compete against a partner. Could be a translation issue though
The fact that there didn’t have to be just one player left makes everyone else’s deaths tragic. Am I wrong?
Definitely already tragic but agreed, it doubles down on it. You really feel it how because of the extreme greed of a few in the group, the rest were condemned to thinking it was a death game instead of a group survival game. That could be an interesting arc for a season though, a group that gets it from the get go and all agree to help as many survive as possible and how the Game Masters react to this.
@@TheEmpireDabsBack With as many games as its been it most likely has happened before...
@@dariuswilliams7509 it did, when the cop is looking through the files it shows multiple winners for one of the previous games
At the 6 game, 218 and 456 were in Squid Game 6 game. And 456 survived.
how to beat the game 1st *disconnected* 9748294247th step win
I do think the money pot growing if people die was a motivation for people dying though. It's not so much surviving anymore. It's about how much money you can get with death. So it does make sense that some people would want others to die to get more money. Just realizing you explained that later in the video. Perfect example of watching the whole thing before commenting lol
The glass panel game, they were told to take off their shoes but I never understood why they didn't use them. Two shoes is enough to discern which glass will break if you throw one hard enough at both. Could have even passed them down the line to player 1.
Omg that's so true, i didn't think of that
Shoes came to my mind when thinking bout paying attention to the sounds the marbles make on tempered and breakable glass, but never thought of just throwing them at the panels full force
This was my idea too
Because once their shoes were off, they basically forgot about them. It's another case of clever psychology -- rather than TELL them not to use their shoes, it's more fun to TRICK them into not using them, and then laugh at them later for their stupidity.
Basically like testing for death traps in The Cube Films
Knowing how they turned off the lights to counter the glass maker’s strategy, they’d probably ask to collect the shoes if someone did that
Theory is right, cooperation would make the games much easier. That is intentional in the series. It is a criticism of society. We would live in a much better world if everyone helped each other. But too many people are willing to stepping on another for his own, immediate, gain. It is like the banquet in the movie The Well.
Crabs in a bucket
You missed the part where the games are deliberately engineered to turn people against one another. There was cooperation going on initially, just as much as much as there was sabotage. But the games are rigged to discourage as time goes on. It's no coincidence that the marble game came after they built groups and alliances and cooperated with one another. If they found a way to break the game through their cooperation, the Front Man would've done a similar thing to when they turned off the lights with the bridge game and found a way to sabotage them and make their cooperation moot.
The series isn't criticizing the desperate people who do their best to win while playing by the rules of the game (and aren't superhumanly smart so as to figure out the best way out of a game while saving others too). It's criticizing the people making the rules who pit the desperate against one another. AKA capitalism.
There people who are like sang woo that has the mindset of “If you help others you will be left behind with them” so they think kindness/helpfulness make you weak but actually it show a lot by how you treat people
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The Most annoying "Imaginary Rule" Is that nobody stepped on the *edges* of the glass tiles, or walked between the rods. Literally nobody had to die there.
If they did that, the VIPs would complain and they'd change the rules.
@@TheScienceGuy10 but the players didn't even know the vips exist
@@johannesschmid3500 True but the point is that the Front Man would have told the guards to change the rules so that they can only jump on the glass and to eliminate anyone who doesn't comply.
Nobody said they couldn't try to tell which glass was which and yet they changed that pretty quickly
Yep
Nobody had to die during the marble game. The old man gave a clue when he said they were ganbu. He even said he didn't want to play the marble game. He said at the end before giving his last marble that the marbles were already his partners because they share everything. If the players played a cooperative game where they both were in possession of all the marbles at the end as a team, or if they switched bags of marbles, so each had taken the marbles from their opponent, I think both would have been spared.
If the guy shared his knowledge about the glass tiles, the leader would've probably turned off the lights earlier.
Atleast all of them had died because of that lol nice going VIPs lol
yep, matt is really assuming that they are gonna be fair, ignoring the fact that they are horses on a track and a bunch of rich psychos are betting on them for fun
True
Basically same chance of survival
And not only that but he would be on the front line of everybody just because he tried to help, they wouldnt let him go back in the line just because he tried to help them.
I feel like the marbles is survivable. The old man hinted at it. That his marbles are the Mcs and the Mcs marbles are his. It could've been argued that switching marbles is taking your opponents marbles while still having your own.
"Using your ten marbles you must take your opponents ten marbles" Swapping bags is not using marbles to take marbles. nor are those marbles yours anymore. It is literally keeping the game at the initial state. It is also a form of not playing. Which equals elimination.
Use your ten marbles, play any game you like, obtain your opponents ten marbles, don't use violence. Those being the only rules, it makes perfect sense to at least try to just make up a bullshit game, swap marbles, declare both of yourselves winners and see if they let you leave.
@@psychocomytic9778 If you have ten marbles you don't have any of your opponents marbles. Your old marbles just become your opponents marbles. Game state remains the same.
When the two tough guys changed games they started again with 10 marbles, since they had been playing a game where all the marbles had likely changed hands then they could have changed marbles for all we know.
The only way to obtain all ten of your opponents marbles is to have all 20 marbles. If they have any number of marbles from either bag then you do not have their ten marbles.
@@krampusklaws2238 ngl best semantic argument I've heard yet, but I still like to think that all 456 contestants could have survived on technicalities and ingenuity. Even though I have to acknowledge that the VIPs and contest organizers probably had no intention of allowing it, it's funny to think that they just got themselves all killed through idiocy and greed.
@@krampusklaws2238 if you traded marble for marble that would technically be considered using your marbles to take your opponents. you could come up with any game to play with any rules that does that and it would satisfy the game conditions.
Just imagine going into Squid Game and seeing the cool S as your honeycomb shape
69 likes. Beautiful
Easy win
Easy. Cut a hexagon and then cut two small triangles out of its sides
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There's just one problem: how do you think is someone gonna convince all of those other people who quite obviously have murderous tendencies or trust issues to see it your way.
I know that MatPat is never gonna see this, not I'm still waiting on that "true nature of Kirby part 2" episode. It's been 2 years Matthew! I get your busy, but please. I would really appreciate a part 2
In a later Kirby theory matpat said it wouldn't be continued, sorry bud
AND the conclusion ep of petscop that we were promised..
Agreed
I commented somthing like this on the Kirby video I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who cares
You know 2 years ago ;(
The players don’t know that they’re playing for the VIP’s entertainment. If everyone collaborated, it would get stale and they would have changed the nature of the games to keep the interest of the VIP, like when they dimmed the lights during stepping stones.
This!!!!
This is the one. I get where MatPat is getting at, but this show IS like The Hunger Games where the entire point of it is to entertain the VIPs. They never cared about fairness.
This is the one. I get where MatPat is getting at, but this show IS like The Hunger Games where the entire point of it is to entertain the VIPs. They never cared about fairness.
Exacty my point if people aren't dying they will change everything. So no strategy helps
I'm surprised it isn't being mentioned that each new Squid Game has a different set of games each time considering the VIP's didn't know what the Glass Bridge one was going to be. This means that there could be any combination of games in play that challenge the advice in this video. A single game could have rules that eliminate players 50/50 for all six games.
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A little more research into Korean culture and you might actually like the glass game (because it fits the theme so well).
The glass game I believe it's based on the "ladder game" which is a commonly played game in Korea. It's generally used to pick out winners/losers randomly. Ladders are stacked horizontally with alternating rungs. Players pick a path and they go down the ladder, crossing over every time there is a rung. If it is designed well, it's pretty hard to tell where you'll end up. The results are SUPPOSED to be random so taking the time to read the path is not allowed. To prevent someone reading the paths, sometimes the middle area is covered up. I think the glass game is a creative adaptation of it and turning off of the lights is similar to covering up the mid section to stop a player who is obviously reading the paths.
Despite how everyone loves talking about "surviving" squid game I think it's supposed to be about gambling. In the end, everything was a game of chance. The whole organization was created by rich people looking for a new game to gamble on. It's a commentary on Korean society's love of gambling that shows up even in children's games. The ladder game is a really innocent game and is often played to decide who should win a prize or who should do the annoying chore. Which is why the glass game is such a fitting adaptation in squid games.
As some other comments have stated, Squid Game covers the "meritocracy myth" of capitalism, that everyone has fair chance to be successful, but behind the scenes the games were rigged from the start. No one but those on top will every truly win.
Wow… that is so interesting! I kinda thought it was a bit cheap to tbh but after this it sounds like a cool game and I totally agree about squid game gambling relating to Korean society
The glass game is actually a really common game called secret maze. You are given a set row of squares and one by one you have to guess what the maze combination is. You’re supposed to do it as a team and remember where someone went wrong to not in order to complete the entire maze combination. They simply turned the secret maze into death secret maze lmaoo
Yes I've definitely played games like that before too, Mattpatt may just be weird.
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Yip, even when we use to pretend some tiles on the floor were safe and others were dangerous. Also, girls used to draw those squares on the sand and jump in them like a sequence.
But it’s safe
The thing I wondered about with the marble game was the fact that it just said you had to get your opponent’s 10 marbles and not that you needed 20 marbles. I kept wondering if it would count as a win if you just swapped your marbles with your opponent’s. Technically, you would both have your opponent’s 10 marbles.
omg
I literally said this out loud when the rules were mentioned, and then watched no one even try it...
big brain
I made this comment too. Such a simple rule to over think or take a face value
The only problem is there is no way to differentiate between the marbles. The guards would think you just havent done anything yet.
I think the reason the glass exploding happened was to make sure any remaining players still on the glass were killed off but since the survivors took too long, they got hit with the glass.
could just snipe them like in red light green light
@@finnpaisal9812 Could. But the VIPs were watching and they want a show.
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@@drucifer3185 the VIPs are always watching. we are the VIPs.
They could’ve dropped them like trapdoors
13:50 You'll definitely break the VIPs' patience.
For the glass stepping game, could the players have used the shoes they took off to tell which glass it is? Like throwing the shoes hard enough at each glass panel, if it breaks or cracks go on the other panel.
Wow someone actually has a good plan for once
or just use broken glass from before
Pretty sure they had to take off their shoes before going on but maybe
@@muhammaduddin5884 Nothing said they couldn't hold their shoes, jus that they had to take them off. Which honestly makes sense, those shoes look like they might slip and you really don't want to slip in that game.
I don't think someone could throw a shoe hard enough to get glass to break though. Remember it takes an entire human to break the glass.
I feel like he just ignored the hidden rule of *"The Elite that pay to watch these games, as well as the Frontman that runs them, can choose to manipulate the games at any point"* unless we're just chocking that up as circumstantial.
Yeah I feel like he missed the overarching message of the show
isnt there a rule that the game must be fair to everyone unless they change that too i dont it would be fair to the players
Like turning the lights off so as not to see the glass retracting light
@@IceRl1-v8d Yes, it's that hypocritical "Jigsaw" mentality where the Frontman convinces himself that he's being "fair" only to straight up manipulate the game for the entertainment of rich people.
@@prince_chavv02 i guess that explains it
I used to work in a glass factory, tempering department, the edges of the glass get wet sanded with sanding wheels and then heated to a temperature which turns glass into tempered glass, the edges are so much easier to see the difference than depicted in the show.
I mean, the reason the glass bridge game feels so out of place is that unlike the other games, it's directly inspired by another death game story: It's the steel beams challenge from Kaiji, with the story playing out much the same way -- the characters all end up having to go in a fixed order, causing some of them to push others off when they can't get by; the gamemasters bend the rules nearly to breaking point to get more players to die (switching off the lights in Squid Game, 'delaying' in switching off the power in Kaiji), and there's a deadly surprise waiting at the end (the exploding bridge and the air pressure respectively). Every other game is a children's game, and that one is an episode long homage to an older work that inspired the show.
It's also a grand spectacle for the VIPs who have come to watch
No its not that, its just that its extremely unfair, no game so far had been random chance.
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It should also be said that "Cooperate with your fellow players" needs to go both ways. I'd wager the glassmaker decided not to help his fellow players mainly because of the behavior of people like the gangster, constantly treating his fellow players as adversaries to be eliminated, so volunteering his expertise before the jerks in the group were eliminated would've been a dangerous decision. Still, I agree that the tempered glass game was a bad challenge, having an elimination game like that so late in the challenge made it very plausible they wouldn't even see the sixth game because everyone had already been eliminated, especially given that there were more panels they needed to cross than there were players to make the crossing...
Actually wasn't it 16 and 16... the first one could have been tested much smarter...
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Yeah but like gi hun was the protagonist so obviously he was gonna win, so regardless he would've been the last man standing
Why didn't they just sprint across the glass? Every time they went from panel to panel they like SLAMMED their body onto the glass, and even then we saw it hold their weight for at least a second. If you sprint across the panels only 50-60% of your body weight will be on a single panel for less than .5 a second--just don't stop running
you actually needed to jump from panel to panel given the distance between each. Unless you have very long legs, sprinting is impossible....
Someone tried that and he died?
@@watcheronly71 no bro like hop-sprinted and would pile drive his whole body weight onto the panes. if youre just sprinting you shouldn't have full weight on that panel
I doubt that would work. Worth a try i guess but I see somebody dying that way. Also to answer your question as to why they didn’t try that, they were panicking.
@@mzamnesia7190 I mean you can die so no one wants to take that risk no one was athelete to run that fast and someone did tried that and he was able to go past 3 panes and he fell down
The game that was spectacle than substance was also the one where the rich folks came to watch live. Doubt that was accidental. Once the ‘share holders’ got bored with the guy knowing the glass tricks, the game was changed to make it less fair.
Definitely not an accident. I think it was supposed to bother you MatPat.
Yeah, you're pretty close to the message there.
Even when you think you've figured out a path to success, the people who are already there can just change the rules to screw you over.
True. Some people forget that the whole games weren't meant to give the lowest people in society a chance to better their life but in order to provide amusement for the sick, psychopathic people at the top of capitalism. Therefore, anything that would have occurred that would make the games boring to its viewers would have caused intervention from its organizers anyway, so I don't feel like they'd let around a hundred people win the games in the end.
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And I think even beyond that, to some extent are in place to give the lowest people the _hope_ that they could better their life.
i think part of the issue is that il-nam wasn't present at the time -- i got the impression he is the one really into the fairness aspect.
@@mai_komagata Why wasnt he there, anyways? He'd already been eliminated.
Mattpat: “Subs are always better than dubs!”
Also Mattpat: Uses dub clips.
He uses dub clips because not everyone actually watches the videos. It's for people that listen to them like podcasts which he's said before in other videos.
I’m one of those who listens rather than watches
@@kyokoyumi I just thought it was because most of his audience is English-speaking. Weird to think that people don't watch his videos and only listens, since the video is quite helpful and gives you nice graphs, charts, visual representations, or shows clips that make you better understand it.
@@ZenithAccount its very good as background noise
@@temper1287 lmfao fr it helps my ears busy when I'm doing something else like homework
The english dub is hilarious. Its like a group of highschoolers being forced to do a group project.
It gets really annoying, and the captions clearly show they mixed up all the lines for no reason
Ok it’s not that bad it’s good I still cried at those special times
I feel like the English VAs were good but just fed bad translations at times.
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When I first saw the glass game, I immediately thought, "Everyone, give me your shoes!" To slam against each pain of glass.
Use the laces to swing the shoe at the glass
This video was just like Thanos, inevitable.
I like this alot
So is food theory’s dangola
I love how Thanos is still relevant even after three years since the movies released
Like your picture
yup
Speaking of loopholes, anyone else believe that the marbles game could’ve been won by both partners? It says that you have to have all 10 of your partner’s marbles to win, but it doesn’t state that you have to have all 20. Couldn’t both partners agree to play a game where they essentially trade marbles? Hence, the gganbu “sharing everything” comment that Il-Nam made?
my thought when the game started. And I was a bit disappointed that it wasn't at all what the episode was leading up to.
Yeah I was confused to... and also it says play a game with 10 marbles who ever looses dies
what if you just DON'T play? It's not like they can force you? and even if you do create a game just create a game where at the end of it you both get 10 marbles
I think in the original it states you need 20 marbles, but don't quote me on that
@@rawfermews4186 If you refuse to play you die
@@rawfermews4186 the very first type states a player is not allowed to keep playing
Actually if the glass maker had revealed his knowledge sooner the lights would have been turned off sooner to make it a "level playing field" for those who are not glass makers. The optimum strategy for him would have been to said nothing and let them guess why he looking at the light on the edges.
I dont remember if they heard him say it or if they guessed it.
Yepp plus the people behind can become impatient and push him
so you're saying it was turned off to make it fair to those without knowledge about glass right? if the glass maker had shared the idea, then it would make it a common knowledge to everyone. making it fair that they all know the same concept that he was using meaning there's no reason to turn the light off since it was fair that everybody knew.
@@lancejyrard2995 they turned them off because he had an unfair advantage that helped only those he chose to help. They said that they overlooked that accidentally when designing that specific game
That strategy requires the glass maker knowing what the game master would do ahead of time
I figured the glass tile game was supposed to be a variant of 'the floor is lava'- which is a common kids game wherein the floor is declared to be 'lava', as in you can't touch it, and you have to get around the room by jumping on various pieces of furniture or cushions.
The stepping glass game is based on a real game: in elementary school we used to put sheets of paper facing down with a yes or no written on it. You had to guess which paper had the title yes and step on it. After you did that someone who was elected as referee needed to check. If you stepped on no, you were “eliminated and had to go back in line. The first who got to the end of the bridge won.
I actually thought it was hopscotch, but that seems a lot closer to it too
Second season the floor is actually lava
I thought it was based on a Roblox obby 😂
@@kezt9217 Yes a Korean childrens game is based on ROBLOX, a company made in the early 2000s.
@@MarpyPlarpy it was a joke calm down m8
For the glass panels, you could go full on Death Cube and throw your shoes on The Panels to see if they would break or not. As MatPat said, there are 18 sets of tiles, 16 players, that means 32 shoes. There is a 50/50 chance that one will break, that means that you would only have to use about 18-20 shoes. And the rules don't say you can't use shoes.
@@OldManYellsAtClouds wow this one is actually a strat I didn't hear yet that would allow you to survive even if you go first AND allow you to not actually lose anything in the process.
Good job lol
When I watched this play out I originally thought that was what they were going to end up doing but I guess not 😅
@@OldManYellsAtClouds Why do all the people want to solve it with the shoes? How hard do you guys think you can swing/throw a shoe? The reinforeced glass tiles were strong enough to support 2 people on them at once. So one could sit on the chest of one another and the person that was below could swing his feet at the glass tiles. And if that was too much because of the injury risk they could at least have done that after the glass maker needed to hear the glass sounds, without destroying the glass.
you would need the force equal to body weight for that
Im sure someone could calculate that for me
@@timbraska6750 even simpler strat would be you all grab the back of the shirt of the guy in front of you
Take the lightest person and have them step on the glas
She (yes) falls you pull her up
15 people basically holding on to a single person
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@@bahaedablackaceenthusiast9955 sangwoo sucks. i couldnt forgive his character for pulling that
For the glass one if he shared his knowledge of glass, people would just have him go in front and the lights would go off way sooner
For the gamemaker turning off the lights in the glass challenge and it "not being fair" going against their spoken rules, I think that was kinda the point. Like, they spout off about how everythings fair and there's no advantages, but as the ones holding power, they are more concerned with entertaining the VIPS than playing by the rules. It plays into the shows larger metaphor of the upper class telling the lower classes "pull yourself up by your bootstraps, everyone has the same opportunities" when in reality they are pulling strings to keep people oppressed.
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It was the point, which he missed. Thinking that the players could just work together and survive isn't understanding it. The game makers would have sabotaged the plans anyway. It wasn't meant to be fair but taking everything literally like he did ignores that.
Reminds me of the history of communism and the communist governments.
Omg wow! That was a good analogy, even I didn’t catch that at first.
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Though there could be more than one winner, I always had a feeling that they make/adjust the last game so that there could only be one winner.
Edit: In ep 5 of the show, there was only one winner listed per year. Granted, the creator may not intend that there will only be one winner, and this is just a coincidence or due to the winners' greed.
also "squid game" (the last game) was intended to be a team game
Could they not use claws 3 to nope out if they did this in the final game of only 1 may win well we quit?
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I think for sure the games are set up to ensure only one winner most of the time - the games go from the game eliminating you, to you eliminating players including those you may have formed bonds with, so encouraging betrayal and ruthlessness. Throw in some "special games" such as pressurising contestants to murder each other between games - it's more or less set up that those most likely resort to killing and doing whatever it takes to win are the ones remaining - the Sangwoo-esque characters. I would guess that the final round, regardless of the game, is always some kind of deathmatch, and they are probably usually given a weapon just before just the same. Even if it is a team game in the last round, the players are most likely so far gone and driven by the final prize, believing they alone deserve it, that they may very likely turn on teammates at the very end too, and surely by that point there's very little trust among the players. If it results in more than one winner it's probably the exception rather than the rule.
They played wrong according to intelligence, but they played perfectly according to the plot and themes of the show. More than one person was never going to be allowed to win the Squid Game.
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Yep. The walls showed three players at the dinner tables and two in the final squid game, it was all meant to turn out like this.
When the cop guy was going through the records, you could clearly see that some games had multiple winners, and are you forgetting that squid game, as in the actual game called squid game is a team game?
@@renni9813 They did? I only saw one each.
Matpats assumptions make no sense. In the first episode it’s shown that some debts ore in the billions of won. For the players to pay off debts after splitting the prize they would need a lot more deaths
Based on the list of winners, it's clear that it's intended for only 1 to win in the end. They imposed extra 'games' in between to make things work out that way (for final 3 even if there was no injury, they could have just left them all there for days until 1 died of starvation/ thirst if they wanted, or something like that). Also, there is always the fear that bending the rules will result in elimination as I'm sure would be the case for the glass bridge part.
This is a stupid side theory, but didn't the rules in marbles NOT specify if you had to keep your own marbles?
From what I remember they only said you had to get all 10 marbles from your opponent
Knowing that you could have played a game of catch, exchanging your marbles at the same time and both won?
we r Gganbu we share our mable...
My dad and I watched this together and were basically yelling to just share the marbles like the old man said they were going to.
We both have 20 marbles because we are sharing them.
*He's out of line but he's right*
That's what I was saying!
The only problem is that in order to leave the game as a winner you had to hand over 20 marbles.
the star is actually the second 'easiest' shape to make. the circle has no corners and straight lines so its a miracle ali survived that game without even being korean and having tried the game beforehand.
concave corners can break the outstanding limb as the fracture could extend inside the shape but circle is hard too nonetheless.
Or triangle ?
@@Hxnnyxrain triangle is first easiest
there's no square, it's circle, triangle, star and umbrella
circle is kinda easy cuz u could bite around it until its circle shape not even need needle
I don’t think there can be multiple winners. When the cop was looking through the records there was always one winner at the end of each game. And in this particular one, when there were two players left in the end they put them against each other. About the glass, if the glassmaker had started looking at the glass from the start, they would’ve turned the lights off sooner.
I agree with the glass maker, however squid game is a team game so really it makes no sense that there can’t be more than one winner.
Agreed. Gojng purely by the rules, yes there can be multiple winners. However this is an entertainment show for rich assholes. I'm pretty certain that the games are selected according to the situation to ensure a 1v1 outcome at the end. It makes it more entertaining that way.
@@XYZ-ll1kw I dunno about that, the 1v1 makes it dramatic for sure, but I think a squid game (The actual squid game) would be more interesting with multiple people
The bosses of the game encourages backstabbing and killing each other
I mean tbf they quite clearly set it up where the game didn’t start until one of the three died. Like… they waited until the woman died to enter and then started the game never before
"subs are always better than dubs" as an anime lover, definitely! i cant imagine watching any movies with the change of the character voice, it's ruining the whole experience
8:00 This fails to take into consideration the insanely high amounts of debt a lot of the characters had. They showed people with Billions in debt, so while 800M Won is certainly a lot, it isnt guaranteed to cover everything, which is why people want the prize pool to get bigger.
Right, exactly. Sang-Woo in particular owed something like the equivalent of 5 million US dollars, AND the cops were after him for fraud, so it makes a lot of sense that he specifically wanted to reduce the competition.
Also what if you had to spit the prize with the other winner which will make the prize become smaller
The other part that bugged me so much with the marble game was that the instructions were to get your team mates 10 marbles, NOT to collect all 20. That meant that you could swap marble sets and both win, seeing as both players would then have the other's marbles. But because of the conditioning of the previous challenges everyone assumed it was one or the other.
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I guess, but you couldn't tell them apart, I don't think.
That’s what Ali thought they were going to do
I was thinking the same !! The rule of the game was loose , and none of the players tried to exploit it . It really pissed me off .
I’m pretty sure you had to get all 20, the translation was just wrong
For being the smartest person in the room, all of Song Woo's ideas are dumb?
For being the smartest person in the room with an amazing economic education, he amassed quite the amount of debt.
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He got to deep in the gambling pit
Just like the other dude who had enough mental math ability to figure out his odds were 1/32,000 yet has huge amounts of debt lmaooo
I dont think he ever actually went to SNU lmao, he always looked so awkward whenever Gi-hun brought it up
@@breadplate But that's a theory for another day! A film theory! Thanks for watching.
I feel like the 7:40 breakdown of the glass jumping challenge not being fair misses the point of the show: it isn't fair. It never has been. As organized and powerful the perpetrators of the game are, and as much as they claim to defend fairness, it's not fair. For any of the debtors. It's symbolic because it IS empty, needlessly bloody, painful spectacle. Age, gender, physical prowess, social status all inherently put some over others.
It also isn't fair because these are all desperate people who essentially CAN'T say no to playing this murderous and suicidal game.
It's yet another sign that the words of the organizers are empty because they obviously can't really keep their word. It's all entertainment to the VIPs and those who only see them as statistics, and an allegory for how even programs purportedly meant to give the poor a fair chance aren't entirely effective.
Stepping glass game is based off of Stepping Stones. There's two rows of 10 slabs/stones or anything flat to step too, then there's the watcher who draws the stones on a piece of paper and puts an X on the stones that would cause you to lose the game and the pen used is thrown away and the watcher only has the sheet of paper that has the X'd out stones and clear stones. The game begins and if you jump onto a clear stone the watcher shouts 'step' and then if you hit a stone marked with a cross then the watcher shouts 'Stone' and your out of the game and sit down on the stone that you lost on. Then game continues till you have a winner and they become the watcher in the next game.
Omg thats fun
I like how Cinema Summary teaches us to be the sole survivor and Film Theorist teaches us to win as a group. You can tell who likes group projects and who don't. 😹
When you put it like that, yeah as someone who didn’t like group projects I would sacrifice everyone in a Squid Game and die. I doubt I could work with most people in the show
@@KatZEdition Agreed
Fun fact, MatPat actually doesn’t like group projects,for the sole purpose that no one else wants to win as a group, or puts in the same effort. Like, in a real life Squid Game scenario, he wouldn’t be able to actually work with anyone cuz everyone would have their own goal in mind
@@ErinAguilar That's exactly what I'm saying. "We have to work together!" is only gonna get an F in chat
@@whatevername4873 MatPat has obviously never been to a real-life casino. The kind of people who'd gamble their lives for a pile of cash that keeps growin' with every contestant that is "eliminated" ain't gonna work together and split the pot when they could be the last man standin' and keep the whole thing.
There can't be more than one winner because when detective Jun ho goes through the game files he finds out that every year had exactly one winner. This detail made it easy to predict what the ending would be like for me.
Hey, just because some files say that only 1 person won doesn't mean there would also be others that suggested a 2 player win
Tbh from the very start I knew there would only be one winner.
@@vectomethe2nd137 but think about it. It’s a death game where the rich watch the poor subjected to the worst risk reward ratio. What makes you think they’ll allow multiple survivors? It’s basically the Thunderdome setup “two men enter, one man leaves”
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Watch the video.
He literally says it ISNT a death game.
@@nickbailey9784 watch the show. It’s CANONICALLY a death game
The German dub is really good. "Majority" is actually translated to majority, and in the marbles game, the rules state, that you have to take the marbles without force.
When I first saw the glass game, I admittedly thought and said “Why not just step on the edges with out having to actually step the glass OR literally just reach and kick the glass or slam your feet to break it.” Personally the glass one could of been easy to trick or loop around but instead the player played the game the death way.
Yeah exactly what I said. Grab someone by the legs and have them reach down to the glass, or walk on the edges which'll be a lot more difficult... Or just have someone flexible do the splits and reach onto the next glass piece.
@@RealityClubX Exactly! Finally someone who knows commons sense.
A better way is to jump on both panels and one would stand while the other breaks no rule against it
@@RealityClubX if the glass broke then the people hanging would fall
Doesnt it say it would only break under the weight of a human being?